CertainlyT after 5.16 Mordekaiser bombs

"WE JUST NEED THE GAWD DAYUM GOLD PACKAGE" - CertainlyT 2015

The new Mordekaiser has a sound thought behind it. I'm not convinced in the execution, but I'm sure we can wait until tomorrow when it hits live. I feel that some number tweaks are on the horizon for him though.

youre exaggerating. the new morde looks interesting, and except for some tweaks he doesnt need larger changes. but the base concept of the rework is cool.

like the only thing that ive seen people have problems with is that hes no as good in solo lane anymore, due to the w changes. which is a point to consider. and then there are the people who freaked out just because he could duo lane now. which is frankly silly.

ive seen people freak out the same over fioras rework.

It still baffles me how riot is actually putting the rework live.

Might need to get the gold package.

is hard to balance.. But you made (initial release) (once again, initial release) and . Yes all those characters are flavorful and have interesting lore.... but their counterplay is pretty bad, despite how innovative they are.

The ideas are creative and good, but executed wrongly. Main problem is the overloading of kits, especially on the new champs. Compare to kits. Yas has 3 passives(no mana might as well count as one) Kench has a million passives, Ekko's W is... wordy, etc.

Oh, and can be nerfed to a bot lane ADC but can't have a cigar.

I honestly wish they just reworked him completely to better fit the fantasy he advertises, without alienating the main part of his fanbase. Keep him as a hard-to-kill immobile toplaner who deals high sustained magic damage. This 'rework' wasn't necessary and is just further distorting his identity and isn't really healthy anyways.

This is even worse than the or reworks. Why, Riot? We desperately need another rework. And the VU on this baby made my day.

Why can't we have these kinds of reworks?

Having played with the new Mordekaiser, not myself, but in a couple games recently... I can safely say that his solo laning is impossible. He loses, flat out, to early game Nasus. It's disgusting, and wrong... and sad.... so sad.

I'm unbelievably pissed about this. Mordekaiser, even if I didn't play him, has always meant a lot to me in LoL. He's important. Every bit as important as Rammus, or Garen. I can unequivocally say without a shadow of a doubt that Mordekaiser is dead.

His bot-lane is nigh-impossible due to the removal of his Q AoE, zoning only gets you so far against poke. If you see a Morde in bot, you counterpick to Varus, Ashe, Cait or even Jinx. Morde will never hit you. He will never get close enough to hit you without a Blitz support and a misplay by the enemy. Leona can lock down a target long enough for Morde to hit them once, so long as the enemy doesn't have a Thresh, or Janna support, sure... and maybe he can line up his third Q with their face when doing so, if he hits a couple minions. Maybe that chunks 2/3 of the enemy ADC's max HP. Then what? You can't chase. Leona's used all her CC pre-Six, and post six there is NO support who will allow you to hit that third Q, even with a flash. Unless the enemy's running like... Soraka... or something. That's the only Support who can't stop Morde post 6. Pre-six, if the enemy gets hooked, it's primarily their fault. They weren't behind minions, they weren't far enough back to dodge the skillshot, etc.

As a side note, Ezreal will /thrash/ you in botlane with Morde. It's not even fair. Blue build Ez will WRECK your DAY. All he needs is Iceborn to become an insurmountable challenge with his endless slows.

The only ADC Morde actively counters in lane is Vayne, because she has no solid poke, and even then he has no way to kill her, only shove her to her turret.

Any support worth their salt can lock early-game Morde up with any number of CC abilities. As everyone knows; If you can't focus the damage in a 2v2, you lose. Morde will only be able to hit the support, and the ADC will be free to rip into Morde and his support to their heart's content on any engage.

These are all things I've seen happen to a dear friend of mine who's played Morde for years.

Godspeed, Mordekaiser. I knew ye well.

Metal to Metal, Rust to Rust. R.I.P.

I'm going to observe that CertainlyT wasn't exactly open to discussion on the Morde changes, and that has now spread to the Morde playerbase, creating a sort of "Green Eggs and Ham" scenario where nobody's even quite sure what the green eggs and ham look like yet.

Honestly want to stop playing because of these changes. Favorite champ run into the ground....

I will be perfectly fine with the rework once they allow me to use shield on minions again

It feels like you guys ignored the obvious fact that Mordekaiser did in fact have a role as an AP Tank. It's true he could be built damage and his old kit reflected that would do well, but changing him into some weird mutant that's supposed to be in a duo lane with support? NO ONE plays that way. No one is GOING to play that way. You haven't changed the meta by reworking Mordekaiser like this - you've completely removed him from being a smart pick in Ranked.

ANY of this could have been changed with the sheer addition of still letting him W himself at the VERY least, but all you've done so far is kill him as a solo laner and mitigate him to the imaginary position of ADC Mage Tank.

the change isn't even out yet, at least lets wait and try it out

About the only thing I'd change is to make the move speed from W applicable from a longer range for ganks. Gives him a little incentive for his jungler to gank in solo lanes while still reserving that extra power in duo lanes. Otherwise I'm actually okay with the rework, it's not great, but it's okay. I love daring Rivens to try and come at me for Q fights. xD

Well at first i thought ooh morde rework, played him, did not like, 0/10 would not bang, but then i thought to myself... hmmm... maybe i can have some fun with this, devourer morde and Q my way to victory.... NOPE! so it turns out whilst sated, if you press Q you prevent you shadow form from doing anything for all 3 attacks, so the only potential good thing in the morde rework, is actually also disappointing. I've had an idea, when you next "rework" a champ, can we not make it so an ability becomes 100% useless in a solo lane? I mean what the hell were riot thinking with that w? Pre-empting all the "it's helpful for ganks", it's helpful as they suddenly see you with a shield knowing something else must be near and back right away? rito pls.

mord is dead,dead,dead