Am I the only one upset about the Alistar Change?

carsonsears07··5 votes·1,170 views

Why does riot insist on making this game easier to play? Honestly, Ali was one of the most rewarding champions in the game to play and master. Being able to hit a headbutt-pulverize combo perfectly was one of the best feelings in the game, especially as a support. Yet, riot has to make it completely skill-less. Just like Lee-Sin was 'too hard' so they had to change his ult to make him noob friendly so he could ult tanks, instead of taking skill to get to the back line. Being able to show champion mastery is one of the aspects that I believe brings people to play this game. While game knowledge and knowing when to engage is incredibly important, being able to execute a champion to it's maximum ability allows for even more play making prowess and pride. Making the game easier really takes the fun and pride of hard work out of the game. I practiced Ali for a long time to master that combo. When I first started playing him I would headbutt to minions next to champions to ensure I could would land a q. I practiced and gained confidence to land a combo and it was extremely rewarding. Making the game easier to play ruins so many aspects that drew such a loyal fan base to the game in the first place. Not a fan Riot.

13 Comments

Quepha3 votes

I found Ali rewarding due to recognizing when it's appropriate to Q, W, WQ, or QW. I never found getting the stupid timing right on WQ to be rewarding in the slightest.

Penguin Eclipse3 votes

I don't like it when they make champions easier to use. They made Syndra easier to use. More people picked her up. She got too popular. Riot nerfed her in ways other than what they changed to break her. Now she sits in the landfill.

The heal nerf though is very welcome. His heal plus targons is borderline broken. In all seriousness he can out heal almost every champion except Soraka in lane.

LaughingMan113 votes

The main reason behind the change is because you could really only Headbutt -> Pulverize if you had decent ping, if you had too much lag you couldnt do it at all, which makes it unfair to players who dont have/cant afford good internet. Making it easier to combo, makes it fair across the board.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Other reason is how punishing it is to mess it up, compared to other champions combo - high ping Riven or Syndra have problems too, that's expected and unavoidable in real-time game. But if Riven goes a little wrong with combo, she will just do a little less DPS. Ali likely looses a fight for his team.

LaughingMan111 votes

Pretty valid point Lol, didnt think about that, or how if he messes it up while chasing, the enemy gets away.

Gothickittikat1 votes

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Pretty valid point Lol, didnt think about that, or how if he messes it up while chasing, the enemy gets away.

I have been playing alistar as my main for years. He is my favorite champion. Personally I think yes there is a chance you screw up and the enemy gets away but thats the risk you take. Its high risk but high reward. I don't think these changes are good ones, makes him way to easy and it is a big disappointment. I've practiced with him a crap ton to get that combo just perfect and it was extremely rewarding. I almost never screwed it up, but now all that work was a waste of time because anyone with common sense can do it right off the bat. Sorry for the rant but i'm just a bit frustrated with the fact that they made that combo super easy. Hate seeing my favorite champ turn into this...

LaughingMan111 votes

All im going to say is i've been playing alistar since season 2, and im not butt hurt about this at all. I think its really stupid that just because some one has less than optimal internet cant play a champ the same as some one who has good internet, i dont mean in general, i mean the finer mechanics. Its one thing to be leona with good ping and to land a good R in a team fight, and then have a leona with bad ping just wiff it, thats the person with bad pings fault for not factoring in their lag with the team fight. You literally cannot headbutt -> pulverize with bad ping unless you're really really lucky, so them doing this makes it fair across the board.

Ralanr2 votes

Not gonna enjoy facing Alistair in bot lane now.

Oh wait, I never did.

Duke Anax2 votes

I used to be an Alistar main and I practiced a lot to get that combo down and I did, but It never was reliable for me. I'd do it 4, 5 or 6 times and then with no discernible reason the next time they would fly away and the pulverise hit nothing.

Zero Skill Tank2 votes

Even pros mess it up every now and than. Random, minimal pingspike can mess it up.

Itadaki Seieki1 votes

E - Triumphant Roar COST40/50/60/70/80 mana ⇒ 50/60/70/80/90 mana COOLDOWN12 seconds ⇒ 16 seconds

I'm pretty happy tbh. I love the Alistar changes. Makes the game a bit more fun.

Before 6.3 comes out, do me a huge favor. Alright?

Go Alistar support.

Go Windspeakers.

Rush Frozen Heart.

Enjoy healing ALL minions and champions for a boosted heal that gives AR/MR to all champions that are healed.

Let them kill minions.

Go again.

That's literally how unfun bottom lane is against Alistar at the moment.

carsonsears072 votes

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E - Triumphant Roar COST40/50/60/70/80 mana ⇒ 50/60/70/80/90 mana COOLDOWN12 seconds ⇒ 16 seconds

I'm pretty happy tbh. I love the Alistar changes. Makes the game a bit more fun.

Before 6.3 comes out, do me a huge favor. Alright?

Go Alistar support.

Go Windspeakers.

Rush Frozen Heart.

Enjoy healing ALL minions and champions for a boosted heal that gives AR/MR to all champions that are healed.

Let them kill minions.

Go again.

That's literally how unfun bottom lane is against Alistar at the moment.

I've been playing Alistar for years. I know how strong of a pick he is. Making him easier to play is not the direction I want to see him go. Especially when he is constantly in and out of the meta because certain items/masteries make him OP.

Sneakyy XD1 votes

Since the missile speed change, the combo is luck and nothing else. There is simply no way to currently get it consistently.

I will grant you that the specific change is stupid, though. What should have happened is an increase to the duration that Alistar can't do anything while using Headbutt to match the time it takes to reach his target.

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