It's all in the title, people in low elo play are constantly playing champs for the first time in ranked for fun. I get that we have to embrace a level of creativity but I think it's a little ridiculous to try a champ in ranked. Does anyone else feel this way?
AlienPrimate10 votesThis gets brought up all the time and every single time I respond with the same argument. This removes the possibility for trades for a lot of people. I only play about 10 champions ever but I sometimes like to trade champions if it better suits the pick order for counters. Requiring me to play every champion just so I can trade in ranked is stupid.
flibitydoo4 votesthey could always modify the champ select system to make trading work around it
like you could make a "pick request" on a player to have them lock in your champ. It could work without the mastery requirement OP suggested, and it would also auto-trade the champ so you don't have those awkward "We tried to trade our picks but then we messed up and now we're both offrole in champs we don't play" accidents.
It Hertz When IP1 votesOr just let us trade pick order. That feature's been asked for numerous times, and would solve AlienPrimate's counter-issue.
TPMJ M3 votesI hate it when others do it, but I do it sometimes, but im good, everyone else is bad.
Funkynút2 votes[{quoted}](name=TPMJ M,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2kEtt31f,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2017-12-13T23:14:24.881+0000)
I hate it when others do it, but I do it sometimes, but im good, everyone else is bad.
Relateable
WaffIeMaker3 votesNah bro I only queue ranked for the most part unless Im doing 5 mans with irl friends so
Remlap12232 votesWait, so one game? That seems... really arbitrary.
woodvsmurph2 votesIf it's ranked and it's legit the first time playing a champ or even the 5th on a more difficult champ like riven or jhin, then it's pretty troll. If they do fine, whatever, if they don't - they have no valid argument against a report. Ranked is not another normals game like some people treat it; it's to measure how well you stack up vs your peers. Surrender @ 15 and/or run it down lane feeding and refusing to ward because you're down a bit in lane should not be tolerated; play the game, do your best, and give your TEAM a chance to carry you and help you be relevant again. They might not be able to help RIGHT NOW, but eventually they can - if you don't int. Now, if they have a second account and played a champ a million times on that account and/or a different season and are just playing him "for the first time" this year, that's a different story. It's somewhat more acceptable - however going 1/10/0 still isn't going to be excused by the fact they "haven't played this champ in forever". But playing a "new champ" alone isn't enough for me to report someone - they have to make bad decisions too and most likely feed.
Winek Chan1 votesYou can't report someone because they're not doing okay in the game.
woodvsmurph1 votesYes, you totally can.
Ranked is for trying your best. Ranked is not for experimenting with something you have 0 understanding of. You don't go screwing over 4 teammates and costing them rank to play some champ and build you have never done before.
Tyler1 was banned for "running it down mid" among other things. So constantly shoving without wards and forcing fights vs an enemy you fed (when you couldn't beat them before you gave them 6 kills and a massive item and lvl lead) is intentionally feeding and very much reportable. Unless you are going to tell me you are better than Tyler1 or any other player banned for inting and say you don't deserve a ban for intentionally feeding/running it down (mid/top/bot). Have fun explaining to the boards and Reddit, because I'm pretty sure you don't win the popularity contest vs him.
Moreover, people of the same rank should have similar macro understanding and even when one player is smarter, at some point, others are smart ENOUGH to realize this and LISTEN to such a player. Ex: if I'm playing in bronze, I don't watch the map and/or don't ward - causing me to die to almost every gank. So I can't blame my teammates for doing the same.
If I'm playing in silver, I ward and sometimes watch the map, but I also misposition and overchase only to get baited into an outnumbered fight, so I can't blame teammates for doing the same thing; however, I can blame them for refusing to ward or ever watch the map and pings because that's bronze stuff.
If I'm playing in gold, I ward, watch the map, and don't overchase because I respect LACK of VISION as well. I don't always win lane, but I don't run it down top and go 1/10/0 while trying to 1v1 the enemy toplaner I just fed 7 kills to; I sacrifice some cs to make sure I die maybe 3x max unless enemy jg and/or fed mid is also camping me. So I can't blame a teammate for being down a few kills, being down 30 cs, or losing lane; however... I can blame them for running it down bot/mid/top/jg, constantly shoving and fighting without wards vs people they fed, not watching the map, and overchasing with no vision.
If I'm playing in plat...
Do you see what I mean? Now logically not everyone at the same elo knows all the same stuff, but most of this is basic and the player must have SOME level of understanding of it in order to have EARNED their rank at that elo. If they are exhibiting gameplay comparable to a much lower elo REPEATEDLY that game (even after being given friendly easy-to-follow and understand advice), then we must assume one of two possibilities. The only two explanations are 1. the player bought/borrowed another player's account and doesn't have the skill to be at this elo. In such a case, they need to be demoted to the elo for which their play level is appropriate - for their sake, their opponents' sakes and the sake of their teammates. Giving people auto-losses or wins is not acceptable. 2. the player is INTENTIONALLY doing bad plays that he/she KNOWS are bad plays in order to INTENTIONALLY RUIN the match for his/her team. Intentionally throwing the game REPEATEDLY during the course of a match is NOT acceptable (inting/griefing report option exists for a REASON). Now the key here is REPEATEDLY. Why? Once, or even maybe twice, it could be an honest mistake - we all have bad games. But doing the SAME bad stuff over and over and over and over and over and over... that's not an honest mistake anymore. It means the player fits into one of our 2 categories: players throwing on purpose (who deserve a temp suspension) or players who don't know better because they are boosted above their proper elo (who should be immediately demoted to the proper rank for EVERYONE'S sake).
Winek Chan1 votesugh look. i dont feel like debating on this shitty issue bcs you are too busy tryharding and being rude to ppl that aren't as good as the professional player that you are.
im just going to leave you with a single line
WHERE IS THE OPTION TO REPORT FOR BAD PLAY?
Inting is INTING, not playing bad. INTENTIONAL feeding.
i dont CARE if you deserve challenger elo or whatever and that this one yasuo is playing badly and doesnt meet your shitty "not inting" standards. you can report him if you want NOTHING will happen. there are no guidelines that say you need a minimal basis skills to play this game.
https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/game-info/get-started/summoners-code/
read this and find where it says that you can report someone because they arent experienced and then we'll talk
Kimuto1 votesIt's low elo for a reason tho. A lot of holes :o
Hong Kong Annie1 votesHonestly no. Some people only play ranked and it's not really fair to them to enforce a rule like that. And besides you can learn alot more about a champion by losing one game against them the many games playing as them.
woodvsmurph5 votesYou can do that learning in normal games. That's what normals and pve is there for. Ranked you should at least have a clue how the champ feels and how to play - not just pick random champ and google what to build on them. Same thing for runes - like how tilting would it be to have an olaf with aftershock when he can't even proc it? Just an example of stuff you can't justify but it's done by players.
Hong Kong Annie1 votesThe thing is a player in ranked that has never played a champ before but has played a few against it will without a doubt have a better understanding of it then someone who has played one normal game. And you should never look up builds runes maybe but you should adapt your build depending on what you are up against.
It Hertz When IP1 votes[{quoted}](name=Wayward Son,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2kEtt31f,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2017-12-14T01:08:56.728+0000)
And you should never look up builds
Wat
Do you also reinvent the wheel before buying a car? Genuinely curious.
woodvsmurph1 votesYou should be playing several games on a champ before taking them into ranked - until you feel comfortable on them. Playing against a champ can teach some things - others you have to play the champ to truly understand.
Moreover, it's much harder to find matches where you play AGAINST a specific champ - much easier to PICK that champ yourself.
Looking up runes and builds is fine, but you shouldn't follow a build or run specific rune page blindly. Some champs, one rune setup is pretty much always optimal; others, they can run multiple varied rune setups depending on team comps and the role they are trying to fulfill.
Tibbers Cousin3 votesHonestly that’s not always correct. My normal mmr or whatever was bronze-unranked a little while ago when I picked up alkali. Im plat now. I didn’t learn anything except how far I’ve come and how to make the game miserable for everyone else.
woodvsmurph1 votesWow - one game. Good for you. You don't learn a champ in ONE game - anyone would know this at silver+ elo. So you play a few more, try out several builds and matchups on akali, and at least SOME of the games, you run into people of plat elo. And maybe even some of lower elo playing champs they know better than you know akali who teach you a thing or two anyways. And congrats, you've now learned something in NORMALS. Furthermore, if you truly EARNED your plat ranking and didn't just buy the account or get elo boosted, you would have learned more than just how to "make the game miserable for everyone else" from that match. You would still FEEL an approximation of how strong/weak she is at different levels, how different items affected her power level, find combo's and potential plays she can pull off, etc. That's not learning nothing.
Shadòw1 votesChampion mastery 1 means nothing anyway.
And you would need to grind 20 champs to lvl1 and can't trade any champs that you don't have on lvl1.
