As the title says...
Whenever I am up against a 
; he is very oppressive to lane against, no matter who you are. Once he reaches level 6, you can't get close to Malzahar without dying or coming out with low health.
I am aware of the counterplay - I do know how to counter him.
EkyonKun10 votesMy one and only issue with Malzahar is his ult, and it's for how much is packed into one button press.
Point and click (Cannot miss or accidentally hit minions) Instantaneous (0 second reaction time) 2.5 second suppression (A long time + Unable to cleanse OR negate with tenacity) Does a lot of percent max health damage (Building anything but strict MR is borderline useless) Has medium range (Doesn't really have to enter a very compromising position to use it) Refreshes Malefic visions (More damage)
If he gets a gank, it's almost a 100% secured kill if you're not literally touching your tower. Also, unless you're an artillery mage, you'll have a hard time getting rid of his passive to make that ult a bit more threatening to use.
Outside of that, he's pretty much a wave clear DPS mage with a silence, which doesn't bother me too much. Everyone's allowed to have their own purpose, but that ult man. If Riot ever touches him, I think that's what they should look at first.
PersuesAchilles4 votesYou are correct. If Riot added other ways to cancel the ult or mitigage some damage I would be fine. But even with Hexdrinker he can just blow through it no problem. Even worse is the extremely low cooldown it has. Please add a way for mages to be able to escape. QSS is mlr for the AD champs.
Bronze 6 Yasuo3 votesMages tend to be ranged am I not right? So they don't need an item counter for malzahar. Qss is for melee champs because they need it because they can't stay out of range and kill him.
EkyonKun2 votesHis ult range is 700 units. That's just about a level 18 Tristana's basic attack range. That isn't something to just shrug off. "Staying out of range" isn't always an option, especially when you're trying to farm. If all else fails, flash adds another 400 range to make it effectively 1100 range. Slightly below Lux's Q range on an instant cast suppression.
Again. If you're not glued to your tower, it's a guaranteed kill from a gank if he ults you and you don't have 
(If you're a mage, you won't)
Bronze 6 Yasuo1 votesIf you are a ranged champ and he tried to stop you from farming then that means he is over extended and is very vulnerable to banks because he has no mobility.
NineTailedMystic1 votesQSS is for AD champions, not melee ones.
Bronze 6 Yasuo1 votesNot really. Ap champs can get this early and sell this late game
NineTailedMystic1 votesand delay their build by 1300g because it upgrades into a virtually worthless item.
OyddAWqJ5r8 votesPatch 7.22
Malzahar
R - Nether Grasp
Dance it off! - While suppressed by Nether Grasp, extreme level DDR inputs will appear on the targets screen. If they maintain a perfect score for 1 second they break out.
Martyrofsand1 votes2.5 second suppression (A long time + Unable to cleanse OR negate with tenacity)
With his remake they made it a 1.5 second duration suppression actually.
EkyonKun1 votesAre you sure? I looked on both gamepedia and the league wikia and both say 2.5 seconds. I'd have checked the official league page, but I bet it still says his voidlings are his passive and that his W drops a pool that does % max health damage.
Martyrofsand1 votesUsed malz to get gold in 3s it's 1.5 since his rework although his silence increases in duration as he levels up to 2 secs if i remember correctly and the combo of both feels like an eternity.
EkyonKun1 voteshttps://imgur.com/a/iiHt2 His silence is 1-2s but his suppression is 2.5s
Martyrofsand1 votesFair enough, perhaps I was just feeling tenacity or something and misjudged it.
EfficientDynamo3 votesPlay a couple games as Malz. You will realize that a ton of his damage is DoT, which allows counterplay via shields, heals, etc. Especially in early-mid, in order to do real damage he needs his minions. Problem is, they die with one AA and are easily cleared with AoE. clear his minions as soon as he casts them and watch him struggle to farm.
His ult is powerful, but it has to be to compensate for the DoT aspect of his kit. Plus, don't forget he is a sitting duck in teamfights the second he uses it.
EkyonKun1 votesOh I understand he isn't some immortal untouchable being. His voidlings are as squishy as they are essential. He has very little 'burst' (Put in quotations since you alone can't fight back for 2.5 seconds, still not burst though) and in team fights he has to ult the right person at the right time or get blown to kingdom come.
My ONLY issue with Malzahar is his laning ult when paired with a jungler. I know 2v1's should naturally be in favor of the 2, but Malzahar just adds a whole new layer of helplessness to that. If at any time I happen to be within 700 units of him, and his jungler is less than 2 seconds away from appearing in lane, I've already died. I just have to wait for the screen to go grey-scale.
EfficientDynamo1 votesFair, but that is arguably true for plenty of mages with good (although not necessarily equal) cc, e.g. Ori ult on her tanky jungler. He has superb lockdown, but clear weaknesses to balance that strength.
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesIf ult were skillshot, he will have more counterplay, and at the same till other parts of him kit could be buffed.
The Bad Touch1 votesIf ult were skillshot, he will have more counterplay, and at the same till other parts of him kit could be buffed.
Lol love how you just deleted your "nerf azir" post after getting debunked. LOL. So I'll just post this here.
Win rates for mid laners by people with 201+ games played.
Malz mains have a 54.9% win rate. Anivia mains have a 55.3% win rate. Annie mains have a 54.4% win rate. Zilean mains have a 54.4% win rate. Talon mains have a 57.7% win rate. TF mains have a 55.9% win rate.
Azir mains have a 53.1% win rate.
Dani El Pezglobo1 votes1.-i deleted it because my intention was about discuss azyr situation, but instead u start to talking about myself, and how i cry about everything, if the main reason of the post is ignored, why should i keep it, kinda clear u wont listen to anything im saying.
2.-And i dont say nerf azyr, i said he is overpowered right now, and i ask 4 solutions.
3.-where did u get this stats, it counts all leagues? because kinda obvius a bronze 5 main azyr, wont be able to have the same winrate as a bronze 5 annie.
4,.Its kinda scary how u not only research to my information, on a try to make me look as a ba guy, u also follow me to this topic which nothing have to do with azyr, seriusly, its just a post about a videogame, if u dont want to discuss with me, dont speak with, because u didnt talk about the problems i said, u only talk about me , my history , how im always chilling, how im a monster....
The Bad Touch1 votes1.-i deleted it because my intention was about discuss azyr situation, but instead u start to talking about myself, and how i cry about everything, if the main reason of the post is ignored, why should i keep it, kinda clear u wont listen to anything im saying.
2.-And i dont say nerf azyr, i said he is overpowered right now, and i ask 4 solutions.
3.-where did u get this stats, it counts all leagues? because kinda obvius a bronze 5 main azyr, wont be able to have the same winrate as a bronze 5 annie.
4,.Its kinda scary how u not only research to my information, on a try to make me look as a ba guy, u also follow me to this topic which nothing have to do with azyr, seriusly, its just a post about a videogame, if u dont want to discuss with me, dont speak with, because u didnt talk about the problems i said, u only talk about me , my history , how im always chilling, how im a monster....
If facts bother you. Don't debate. If you don't want your personal actions called as evidence in a debate... don't debate.
No one is forcing you to post anything, but you need to accept that fact that people that have different opinions that you will present their own facts and try to highlight your motives. I posted a ton of statistical data, and called your own match history into question to point out how it flavored your opinions. YOur only response was to poiunt out how I was being "mean" to you for calling you out on going afk.
It's ironic that you rage quit and deleted the thread after being accused on doing the same in the game in question though. :P
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesthe fact u difame me talking about 2 month post that were sleected so i look like a bad shows that u dont care about what im saying , u only care about be right , said that i wont reply u to more post
Dani El Pezglobo1 votesazyr eventually ll get nerfed and u ll see i was right
The Bad Touch1 votesazyr eventually ll get nerfed and u ll see i was right
Rage quit x3... lol
Siyther1 votesi hope yall realize that his ulti is the only thing that makes hime viable. If its cahnged to something else he instanly becomes trash tier. He is a single target killing monster but outside of it he isnt good. The other issue with malz is that when the enemy team does do ythe smart thing and buys qss he is literally useless, and these ppl want to be able to cleanse it too. Ridiculus. Qss is a bane for malz if you have it he literally camnt touch you, unelees ur low as hell health. Piont is malz's ulti is his entire playstyle without it he is nothing.
PokladnicaZla7 votesI don't find particulary strong,but I do think point and click suppression effects are over all unhealthy for the game.
LitAF5 votesIf you're aware of the counterplay and know how to counter him, then he shouldn't be at all oppressive. He's extremely weak early game and is easy to shove in.
He needs atleast 3 items to even do anything.
MysterQ5 votesNot at all. He has some incredibly safe waveclear at pretty early levels in the game.
LitAF7 votesSafe waveclear does not mean he's invulnerable to being shoved in. A lot of champs will outshove him until he gets a Lost chapter.
Ebolol3 votesNot at all. He has some incredibly safe waveclear at pretty early levels in the game.
Malz lacks decent waveclear at early-early levels. Around level 7 is when he can effectively clear them. Before then he is likely to be shoved in and miss a bit of cs as it can be hard to farm with him because of his AA animation and overall kit
YumaS2Astral2 votesMalz lacks decent waveclear at early-early levels. Around level 7 is when he can effectively clear them. Before then he is likely to be shoved in and miss a bit of cs as it can be hard to farm with him because of his AA animation and overall kit
From my experience the problem is not that Malzahar lacks waveclear before level 7, the actual problem is how much mana he wastes waveclearing before getting a 
. After getting that item, Malzahar has no mana issues at all. However, before getting it, Malzahar struggles and will usually be outpushed by champions that do not use as much mana when waveclearing, especially because he relies on his voidlings to waveclear and they are easy to destroy.
On my opinion this is a good thing because it means he has an actual, exploitable weakness that you can abuse.
Ebolol1 votesFrom my experience the problem is not that Malzahar lacks waveclear before level 7, the actual problem is how much mana he wastes waveclearing before getting a
On my opinion this is a good thing because it means he has an actual, exploitable weakness that you can abuse.
I agree, the mana is a big part of it as well. I think in the end it's a combination of both
YumaS2Astral1 votesThat's why I am currently using mana regeneration runes on Malzahar, unfortunately they will be removed soon.
OP Garen Support5 votesIf you bitch now wonder how much you would bitch when he was actually a good champ before the MYMU.
LitAF3 votes[{quoted}](name=OP Garen Support,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2k6LQFVi,comment-id=000f,timestamp=2017-10-29T11:47:45.598+0000)
If you bitch now wonder how much you would bitch when he was actually a good champ before the MYMU.
I know right, no one complained about Malzahar until he started getting picked up in LCS.
Hmmm coincidence? I think not.
The Bad Touch4 votesMalzahar Win Rate 54.82%
Number one mid win rate is on a champions whose only counterplay is an item only AD's can build.. and only then 3rd or 4th item.
Yep nerfs are needed.
SpaghettiVase2 votesNumber one winrate top too, granted the playrate is less than half of his mid lane play rate. His harass and all-ins are way too good.
Violet Fields1 votes[{quoted}](name=The Bad Touch,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2k6LQFVi,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2017-10-29T08:19:28.740+0000)
Malzahar Win Rate 54.82%
Number one mid win rate is on a champions whose only counterplay is an item only AD's can build.. and only then 3rd or 4th item.
Yep nerfs are needed.
That is not true, anyone can build this, in fact, whenever I mention to build it as an AP champion people always say it's a waste of gold. Yeah? Well you're wasting gold by having Malzahar kill you, while also having the turret being destroyed and being 40 CS behind.
When I was playing ranked and I was playing Ekko, my entire team didn't build this item and he just fed kills to this Malzahar, AD or not, I still built this and it won me the game.
Bârd3 votesHis laning is decent, and he has a very strong mid game.
He falls off hard late game, since his damage takes too long to go off and he can't ult the ADC if they buy qss.
Martyrofsand2 votesFrankly the best thing they could do against Malz is let Cleanse remove suppression, or hell just let cleanse remove all debuffs, the thing has a stupid long CD there is literally zero justifiable reason why it's strictly worse than a 1300g item.
Existential Bard2 votesAlso sometimes people fail to look at the bigger picture. The reason malz has good waveclear and damage is because his voidlings attack his DoT target. If you kill his voidlings you can stop a decent amount of damage and potentially stop his E proc on another minion.
Hügö2 votesHe honsetly needs a nerf. He can play way to safe or push way to fast.
Bronze 6 Yasuo1 votesScrub spotted
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Mhihnj5 votesdon't reply to your own comment for no reason. Just edit the original comment
WingsofGulgazor1 votesI've seen several people who play one role like adc and can't win games then one trick malz mid for 60 games with 80% winrate then get boosted then try and randomly play the role they suck at in my game while flaming me while still being the lowest elo person in the game even after being boosted.
I mean this has happened several times already. some silver 3 player gets boosted to like gold 5-3 and gets in my game with plat 4 then they try and play some other role and is to god awful to do anything but continuously feed and give objectives. I don't know how they win games on a role and champion they've never played to get 80% winrate but my God they should keep playing it or not at all. and I do find it questionable that someone is able to play a role and champion they've never played randomly and get huge ass winrates with.
Paroe1 votesI've seen several people who play one role like adc and can't win games then one trick malz mid for 60 games with 80% winrate then get boosted then try and randomly play the role they suck at in my game while flaming me while still being the lowest elo person in the game even after being boosted.
I mean this has happened several times already. some silver 3 player gets boosted to like gold 5-3 and gets in my game with plat 4 then they try and play some other role and is to god awful to do anything but continuously feed and give objectives. I don't know how they win games on a role and champion they've never played to get 80% winrate but my God they should keep playing it or not at all. and I do find it questionable that someone is able to play a role and champion they've never played randomly and get huge ass winrates with.
Malzahar is just safe. Hes very low tempo and nothing in his kit makes interacting with his lane opponent a good idea. Riot never did do that... They just lowered his ranges and base stats to "make him closer and interact more".
Its very easy to play a safe champion. Have you never seen Ahri?
Yma S1 votesYou know that you can one shot void lings with 1 auto and they give back mana from Doran ring right?
Every mid laner outranges and out pokes him
ChoC0Iate1 votesImo they should make malza ult able to be cleansed. Elsewise it's low skill cap champion with too high reward for playing it.
