Report me or nerf Graves

Saldone·May 26, 2016·20 votes·1,761 views

As a Tank i get reported for dying to Graves and you can't trade with him, you can't kill him 2 vs 1, you can't out scale him, you can't do anything, " you basically need 3 man camping him all the time if you want 0,1 % chance of winning " + he gets more HP from the lifesteal on doran's blade then he loses to creeps. i just don't think the game is balanced as long as his armor scaling is the same as defense power 8 the only diffreent is 3.5% scaling... its so high his basically a tank with defense power 5 it corresponds to the same as defense power 8 ... not only that, he starts with 551 HP thats almost the same as most tanks. and lets not forget his an ADC. and check this he has almost the same stats as Urgot, just with 4 much better and stronger abilities. http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Urgot

I mostly compared Graves with Singed becaues i see him as the weakest champion vs the strongets http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Singed

And this is not my main account i'm writing from... And btw plz Nerf Kindred Ekko as well and rework Ryze! :)

38 Comments

BqcSi8LtwPMay 26, 201610 votes

Yes Plz Nerf Graves

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20164 votes

Kindred is balanced because you can deny alot of his damage honestly

ZarvanisMay 26, 20166 votes

*Their

Kindred Kindred is a "they". Well, technically Kindred is one entity that takes the form of two.

Or was, "his damage", referring to Graves Graves ? If that's the case, you should have worded that differently.

ARequestOfDeathMay 26, 201612 votes

i prefer calling kindred her because you dont play as wolf

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20162 votes

by him I mean wolf because he wants to kill the jungle monster for the passive :)

CizanMay 27, 20161 votes

Wrongo 2 separate entities that are so in sync they seem to be 1. :)

ZarvanisMay 27, 20161 votes

Kindred's Kindred lore was that the embodiment of death split itself in two so it could have a friend. Lamb and Wolf are two parts of one being.

CizanMay 28, 20161 votes

Hmm my bad then must of skipped that line by accident when i was reading. By the way dont you think that death would kill its freind? I mean it is death.....

USG FailsawceMay 26, 20165 votes

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Kindred is balanced because you can deny alot of his damage honestly

wat

what hax are you using to do this son? please share with the rest of us.

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20162 votes

also Cc exist for a reason. they may be mobile but toss them out of the ulti and they are done for

USG FailsawceMay 26, 20161 votes

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also Cc exist for a reason. they may be mobile but toss them out of the ulti and they are done for

lol ccing and knocking them out of ult is the easy part, if you have the cc to do it.

Teamfighting them isn't even the problem. The thing that makes them strong is their ridiculous early damage and gank capability, which guess what? Denying her camps doesn't affect at all.

It just ensures that she doesn't scale as well into late, but if she's already snowballed due to a retarded easy early, then it's too late for that.

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20162 votes

They are on the most part a ganking jungler. Its normal that they have a great gank capability and also the fact they gank early makes it understandable that you take more damage

USG FailsawceMay 26, 20162 votes

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They are on the most part a ganking jungler. Its normal that they have a great gank capability and also the fact they gank early makes it understandable that you take more damage

So again I fail to see how your conclusion means that Kindred is balanced, just bc you can deny her a camp or two lol.

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20162 votes

Well it does require some skill to play them . they arent the easiest jungle around. They are Late game champs its normal that they become stronger and beside. Her ult can make her lose teamfights as much as it can make her win. The entire team can see who you hunt .

DefendedMay 26, 20162 votes

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Well it does require some skill to play them . they arent the easiest jungle around. They are Late game champs its normal that they become stronger and beside. Her ult can make her lose teamfights as much as it can make her win. The entire team can see who you hunt .

Kindred does not require skill. The last time i saw someone do a bad kindred ult was meteos 2 months ago

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20162 votes

Eh I dunno I'm trying to learn the champ so it isnt the easiest champ I played honestly. but hey I'm silver so I'm trash as everyone say :^)

DefendedMay 26, 20163 votes

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Eh I dunno I'm trying to learn the champ so it isnt the easiest champ I played honestly. but hey I'm silver so I'm trash as everyone say :^)

Kindred is beyond broken tbh.. Too much everything

The Yetii RiderMay 26, 20163 votes

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also Cc exist for a reason. they may be mobile but toss them out of the ulti and they are done for

That's not "cc", that's "displacement", and not everyone has it. Even more relevant, it's not a displacement, it's a knockback specifically.

Champions with knockbacks or pulls:

That's 13 champions out of 140+, and some of them don't even have a far enough displacement to knock Kindred out of their ultimate unless they were already standing near the edge.

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20161 votes

I mean I'm just saying I do know that patience exist too but that doesnt help in teamfights. and CC does stop kindred as well from dishing damage

GaleWinUnleashedMay 26, 20162 votes

Champions with knockbacks or pulls:

plus AurelionSol Gnar Janna Nautilus Poppy Shyvana Singed Syndra Taliyah Tristana Velkoz XinZhao Zac Ziggs

I left out a few more, such as Draven Quinn Skarner TahmKench Urgot for various reasons, but there's definitely far more than 13 displacements capable of forcing Kindred out of their ult.

The Yetii RiderMay 26, 20162 votes

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Champions with knockbacks or pulls:

plus

I left out a few more, such as for various reasons, but there's definitely far more than 13 displacements capable of forcing Kindred out of their ult.

Fair enough. Still, even if it's as high as 30 champions, there's 100 more that can't. It's not a guarantee that you can play around Kindred's ult through displacement on any given team.

GaleWinUnleashedMay 26, 20163 votes

Your point is entirely valid, I just couldn't leave 2 of my top 3 favorite champions (Janna and Zac) out of a list they so clearly belong in =P

VekknaMay 26, 20162 votes

Vayne

DefendedMay 26, 20165 votes

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That's not "cc", that's "displacement", and not everyone has it. Even more relevant, it's not a displacement, it's a knockback specifically.

Champions with knockbacks or pulls:

That's 13 champions out of 140+, and some of them don't even have a far enough displacement to knock Kindred out of their ultimate unless they were already standing near the edge.

I do not think kindred is balanced. Displacements are ccs. Thats what the fuck a cc is loo. Stuns knockbacks pulls stuff like that.

Also you forgot vayne and tristana actually you forgot about 10 other champs so youre whole statement is false

ThumpinMay 26, 20161 votes

If you deny their camps, especially the early ones you can really set Kindred behind.

Source: level 7 mastery Kindred main.

Only Play DariusMay 26, 20162 votes

Yea because I should be forced to pick an ADC to deal with an ADC

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20161 votes

I think I'm just gonna stop being a keyboard warrior to defend a champion I love because of their lore

Only Play DariusMay 26, 20164 votes

It's sad I actually liked playing Graves as a traditional ADC but the latest nerfs only seemed to make him unviable bottom and hardly touched his top/JG. If they nerf him again I would prefer they balance him around bot lane like every other ADC.

MunchCrunchLunchMay 27, 20161 votes

going crit on him doesn't pay off like other ad carries because of his range. and hes a weak ad caster compared to lucian because of the Q nerf a while ago. and he doesn't have any sustained damage from ult like lucian culling

Chaos SingedMay 26, 20163 votes

True Singed useless vs Graves... the only tank i can see on lolcounter that can do anything is Amumu. now im sad

MaxDarkwillMay 26, 20161 votes

Singed isnt playable nowadays or maybe I'm just scrub. because I use to love playing him but now almost everyone counter him just by taking grasp

MunchCrunchLunchMay 26, 20161 votes

if you can't handle your lane opponent. you simply clear your wave. go down mid lane and clear waves there too. proxy mid

MunchCrunchLunchMay 26, 20161 votes

amumu is very weak against graves. the only tank that can go against graves is ekko or fizz. you might have to build a little bit of damage on them too so he just doesn't lifesteal all the damage you do to him

jodoboMay 26, 20161 votes

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ChaosThiefMay 26, 20161 votes

What does that even have to do with graves?

Wolfram OxfordMay 26, 20161 votes

Ryze rework is being worked on, Ekko has received enough nerfs, Kindred isn't as strong as you think, and Graves if nerfed would be in a bad position. I will make a post soon enough pointing out how Riot could change Graves to make him more healthy.