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Karma needs tweaked (Not a bug, but broken mechanics)

The Sleepy Wolf·11/24/2016, 6:33:24 PM·1 votes·872 views

I would like to note we didn't have much hard CC, we had thresh and veiger, no one else had anything hard enough to stop her W. Regardless...

Was playing trndy top, doing fine the entire game until karma got 4/6 items. List of end-game items below. As this point she was COMPLETELY unkillable. Not that we didn't deal damage as a team, but every single time she was use her Focused Resolve she was gain back about 45% of her HP bar, then after it activated she was back to full HP. This was a TANKY karma, so ontop of it being a pain to damage her that low in the first place...cause she's tanky.. her being able to go back up to full in the middle of combat made it near-impossible to kill her. The only times she died after this was when she made huge mistakes, but otherwise she could 1v5 and get out, ussually with at least a kill.

That, isn't okay. That's not "oh she's over powered" that is pure broken mechanics..

List of items after 53 minute game:

(Please note that these could be out of order)

I'd also like to add that we won this game, This isn't salty crying "Ehhh she's overpowered QQ" this is a genuine concern for a ACTUALLY broken mechanic in the game. Not sure if it's like messed up math in the code or what :s

11 Comments

Targon11/24/2016, 6:56:32 PM5 votes

You didn't have any armor penetration in your build. That would have helped immensely against her and the Galio that built armor. Your ADC was Ezreal and Ezreal isn't the greatest at taking down tankier champions. Furthermore, Olaf and Thresh, who were on your team, fall off late game and don't do that much damage compared to other champions.

That said, I personally don't think that Karma's RW is broken.

Tank Karma doesn't provide that much to a team compared to other tanks. With barely any AP, her damage would be very low at 6 items compared to other champions. Apart from the slow on her Q, her only hard CC is her W which is single target. For that alone, she shouldn't really be much of a threat late-game with that sort of build because she'd take forever to kill anyone and she could only really kill someone from kiting them 1v1 or 1v2 for a long period of time. Her RW gives her a lot of health back but it's %missing health and it only gives the full amount if the tether isn't broken, so it's not as reliable as an ADC with a good amount of life steal.

Karbuncle11/25/2016, 9:38:42 AM2 votes

If she's building that then she does no damage,so why are you focusing her? item 3123 item 3165 Counter heal by A LOT Congrats your enemy team has a low damage,no hard cc,single target(for the most part) Tank

Even if her heal was "OP" you have to be in ranged and she has to use her ULT on top of that Darius 's heal is exponentially more retarded.

Gatchaman11/24/2016, 6:46:25 PM2 votes

they should just rebuff lulu so we can juggermaw, tank karma top, and rebuff aatrox so we can have fun again!

MisterShameless11/25/2016, 5:39:35 AM1 votes

No one on your team built grevious wound, Veigar didn't even build item 3165 and your adc choose item 3036 over item 3033 (which isn't that bad of a choice either, so no biggy, but still). You need item 3123 (an 800g item) to counter her 9,050g (minimal amount) core items. You said it yourself, it took her 4 items to complete, when you could of built an incomplete item that's 800g vs her 9,050g items. Just buy , its really that simple and I'm not joking as I like to main Karma as a tank myself.

LostFr0st11/24/2016, 6:35:03 PM1 votes

Tanky Karma has been around for a while. I'm actually surprised they haven't done anything about it yet. They'll have to now that its become popular though.

Requiemsfire11/25/2016, 10:06:10 AM1 votes

I'm pretty sure there was a guy who climbed to masters last year with tank Karma.

From what I can tell, tank karma is really strong because she has high base damages especially with her R, you get magic pen from liandries, bonus heal on visage, and spellblade/slow effectfrom iceborn. You also get thunderlords decree and the 5% CDR so you can spam your already short cooldown spells much faster.

Shirvallah11/24/2016, 6:52:59 PM1 votes

It may be my elo, but I literally never, ever see tank Karma. I see her played mostly support and sometimes mid.

I don't think the empowered W is broken only because most people play her the way Riot intended and build her with AP items that buff her shield, etc.

But anyways, honestly, you could argue that tank ANYONE is broken because of how impossible it is to kill them late game, like a well-farmed Nasus. Know what I'm saying? He has bonus lifesteal, and he's just about unkillable in the late game. Even if he builds tank, he could probably wipe a few champions off the face of the planet because of his Q stacks.

I guess what I'm trying to say is this: if they have a full build, and they're mega tanky with a form of self-healing, I think it should be expected that they're really tough to kill. However, I think it'd be broken if tank Karma could get a multikill easily against skilled players, but I don't believe that is possible.

That's my two cents.

Almost a mastery level 7 Karma if that boosts my credibility.

Mountain Warden11/24/2016, 9:29:00 PM1 votes

Weird I guess my comment somehow disappeared. BTW OP I saw your reply to my now non existent comment lol

Just wanted to restate that although tank karma is super hard to kill, she's damn near useless overall. Just build a bit of MR to render her completely useless and ignore her. Forcus on objectives and she won't be able to do anything to you besides E around. You won't kill her as a melee, but she won't kill you especially as Trundle.