Zed is so OVERPOWERED!!!

N00B PWN3R·Feb 17, 2016·9 votes·566 views

Yet, all the following champions perform better than him :^)

(top 4 are AP, AP is sooooo weak :^( guys) .

Source: http://euw.op.gg/statistics/champion/

24 Comments

fractalfantasiesFeb 17, 20166 votes

I really can't stand the attitudes on this board, tanky dudes are also much more OP than Zed but all I ever hear about is

'nerf Zed'

'buff immobile mages and tanks'

Stars ShaperFeb 17, 20163 votes

the common Zed player is a kid who thinks to have free farm on enemies because he is a cool ninja. This has nothing to do with the real effectiveness of a champion but it surely compromises it's winrate.

fractalfantasiesFeb 17, 20164 votes

How?

There is no proof that assassins are all secretly OP because noobs play them and even if it were true, we have a matchmaking system which would mollify this.

Stars ShaperFeb 17, 20161 votes

Because no1 said that it's a free win but that in the hands of some1 who knows what to do they are unstoppable if not terribly outskilled. Now...

Large playerbase means also a lower overall winrate that champions with less, dedicated playerbase and that's a given. Zed having a larger playerbase than the other assassins influences his winrate a lot.

fractalfantasiesFeb 17, 20163 votes

Because no1 said that it's a free win but that in the hands of some1 who knows what to do they are unstoppable if not terribly outskilled. Now...

Right so high skill cap champs exist, although I should point out, he does have hard counters

Large playerbase means also a lower overall winrate that champions with less, dedicated playerbase and that's a given. Zed having a larger playerbase than the other assassins influences his winrate a lot.

No it doesn't, this is something this board has just made up and even if it were true, as I did explain, due to matchmaking this would correct itself anyway. His mediocre winrate is a reflection of him not being OP.

Stars ShaperFeb 17, 20161 votes

A combination of his hard counters to be not good in general as meta and their low base winrate surely helps to envision Zed as above average.

Your second statement though is false. Mordekaiser had abysmal winrate even when he was totally OP in botlane. Before the rework though he had a few dedicated players which brought his winrate high enought o be considered balanced (while he was actually countered by the game itself).

fractalfantasiesFeb 17, 20161 votes

In the case of Morde, it's natural for a champion with reworked kit to have an unnaturally low winrate until people have got used to it, eventually he was hitting 55% win rate, also bear in mind he was buffed after the rework

Facts and all that...

GamblerOfLivesFeb 17, 20163 votes

maw is op. not zed:D

fractalfantasiesFeb 17, 20163 votes

I play Kog'Maw and I really like him, I don't even have Zed unlocked, but I am fully aware that Kog is an OP pick who will be nerfed, while Zed is a balanced pick right now.

It really does reflect how stupid and immature the community is that people can't separate, whether a champion is OP from the fact they once got dumped on by one.

what you deserveFeb 17, 20161 votes

item 3156 ??

what you deserveFeb 17, 20163 votes

when was the last time you saw a zed get a pentakill

The WhamboozlerFeb 17, 20163 votes

"Better" is kinda subjective. I mean... Heimer is "better" than most at pushing, but that doesn't really make him top tier or anything. Lux is "better" than him at at sieges and utility in teamfights. Ahri is "better" than him at chasing and getting picks for her team. Malz is "better" than him at locking down an enemy and shredding tanks. Anivia is "better" than him at zoning people and dividing the enemy with her wall. Zed is "better" than all of them at tower-diving squishies and coming out without a scratch.

You can't really claim a champ is "better" as a blanket statement. If your team badly lacks AP damage, nearly any mage would be "better" than Zed for your team comp. If your team lacks CC, the same rule applies. If your team contains Corki bot, Tahm Kench top, Diana jungle and support Janna your team might badly need an AD mid, making Zed a "better" choice than some. Every champ has times that they shine... and Zed is no exception. Don't complain about other champions with entirely different reasons to be on a team and act like them being able to do stuff makes Zed crap. They all serve different roles on a team and are expected to do different things.

N00B PWN3RFeb 17, 20162 votes

Nothing you said has any relevance to what I posted. Those champions perform better than Zed, their winrate shows this.

The WhamboozlerFeb 17, 20162 votes

These champions perform better than zed... WHY? That was my point. Is it because the meta more values their skills? Is it because they got a buff recently from an item or mastery? Is it because people imagine they do? People can and do psyche themselves into things like that. Winrates fluctuate and aren't a perfect mark of power... and even if they were, being a mark below what you might consider the VERY BEST doesn't make him weak, it makes THEM strong and him pretty balanced.

But you went with a blanket "these champions have a higher winrate than zed so they're better and zed needs fixing!". That's flawed reasoning. Take an adc.... take the top winrate adc in the game... and limit them to doing nothing but jungling for a while. Oops... their winrate probably dropped. Does that make them a bad adc? No. It means they're in a position they're not as well suited to. Put them top and they'll probably suffer as well. THAT is what I was trying to explain. If everyone is spamming picks that say... Lux or Diana perform well against, Diana or Lux will SEEM OP in winrate, but their power is because they are often in favorable match ups.

EVERYTHING I said had relevance to what you posted. Hell, I didn't even say you're wrong... just that you can't claim anything based on what you're basing your opinion on.

N00B PWN3RFeb 17, 20161 votes

It doesn't matter why, they are better than Zed, their winrate reflects this. I didn't claim Zed needs fixing, nice strawman, rofl, epic fail.

The WhamboozlerFeb 18, 20161 votes

Ok, I guess they're better than Zed because you say so. Seems legit.

So what you're saying is... no one is allowed to be better than zed? Is he the benchmark for powerful midlane champs then? I'm asking because apparently, your word is law and you get to make all the important choices around here.

N00B PWN3RFeb 18, 20161 votes

They are better than Zed because factual statistics support this fact. Pay more attention during your math class. I didn't claim that no one is allowed to be bettern than Zed, nice strawman, fail more.

The WhamboozlerFeb 18, 20161 votes

You're kinda ignoring every point I'm making, so I'm just gonna stop talking to you. Um... good job spouting out memes though? Seriously, why even bother posting your opinion if you're going to just say "shut up, I'm right" to everyone who tries to discuss it with you? You don't even seem to understand what a strawman IS, and I'm gonna guess you're pretty shaky on how statistics work too if you think statistics can never be wrong or misleading. Or that statistics are the same as math? Just because there are numbers involved doesn't mean statistics = math and even if that WAS the case 100% of the time like you seem to think... you are discussing things that cannot be judged on math.

A melee ability that does 100 damage and a ranged ability that does 100 damage SEEM statistically equal, but any sane person could tell you the ranged one is better. Now the melee one stuns. Which is better? What if the ranged one slows? These are NOT things you can take a raw number on and declare "this = better because math" these are vastly different things. Tell me, since you are so good at math... which is stronger... Lux's Light Binding or Morgana's Black Shield? Show your math please... I want to see what kind of bananas logic you're using here that I apparently "don't understand". Because see... to ME those are vastly different abilities with different uses. If you're on offense trying to get a pick Black Shield is almost entirely useless, while that binding is immense... but if you're looking to protect an ally in a teamfight, Black Shield is far more useful than a skillshot you might miss. But please... show me the "math" you're so adamant decides this. I wanna see your reasoning.

More likely, I expect you'll just throw another poor attempt at an insult at me, use another word you don't understand and then dismiss me or my argument entirely because "you can't be bothered" or "I don't understand". You just kinda wanna stick to your opinion, claim a number you read somewhere makes it true and not even entertain any other possibilities have any merit as well. That and personally attack people who disagree with you, apparently. Come to think of it, you must not have learned how to debate either, since you're doing it wrong. For the record, when debating something, if you can't respond to something... or you can't explain your own viewpoint and why it's correct... you have LOST that point.

N00B PWN3RFeb 18, 20161 votes

Didn't even bother reading what you wrote past the first sentence. Stop talking to me, because there is nothing to talk about anymore. It is a fact that Diana is not an Assassin.

The WhamboozlerFeb 18, 20161 votes

Whelp... called it. gg ez

weeaboomerFeb 17, 20162 votes

Talon Diana are cancer

CrukFeb 17, 20161 votes

Lulu Janna item 3139 item 3157 item 3026

He's so hard to play against, like, i just feel like i cant do anything...

GamblerOfLivesFeb 17, 20161 votes

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He's so hard to play against, like, i just feel like i cant do anything...

he is not hard to lane against. he has his Q, you need to stay behind minions, his q does low dmg when it hits minions.But after he gets hex, hard to kill;)..also, in lane, you should run exhaust or barrier vs him;). Also, you should rush seekers vs him, into zhonia if you lose hard or seekers into another item if you are doing fine;). You play ap vs an ad assasins, you will eventually outscale him;)..adc have QSS, you have APC have zhonia, you have 2 exhaust(mid and support), zed sucks in 5 vs 5.so, all you need to do, is farm man;)..when you see how zed works, he is not that hard to deal with.

CrukFeb 17, 20161 votes

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he is not hard to lane against. he has his Q, you need to stay behind minions, his q does low dmg when it hits minions.But after he gets hex, hard to kill;)..also, in lane, you should run exhaust or barrier vs him;). Also, you should rush seekers vs him, into zhonia if you lose hard or seekers into another item if you are doing fine;). You play ap vs an ad assasins, you will eventually outscale him;)..adc have QSS, you have APC have zhonia, you have 2 exhaust(mid and support), zed sucks in 5 vs 5.so, all you need to do, is farm man;)..when you see how zed works, he is not that hard to deal with.

Sorry, sarcasm is hard to relay with text, i was just listing a bunch of shit that screws zed over and then putting in a generic comment about how hes OP. I dont actually think zed is broken, I think that he has a lot more counterplay than a lot of champions in the game in fact.