Why are smurfs so abusive

Psykova··3 votes·1,649 views

I've never seen such an abuse of power and intolerance of lower level players in any other game.(Maybe this happens in Dota, I don't know) It really does make me feel sad and angry at these players picking champions like Master Yi and Jax just to stomp on the new player just trying to understand what towers and minions are. (Now I'm not saying that all smurfs do this, but a large portion does. )

The biggest problem this brings up is that it simply kills off newer players. After going 1-12 multiple times in a row in a game you just downloaded that you don't even understand would seem pretty off putting to me. Not to mention the enemy smurfs wind up insulting the new guy who doesn't even know what the jungle is. I just saw a Fiddle player try and jungle only to have his camps invaded and die 13 times and still truck on trying to farm. Only to be ganked and killed by Rek'Sai and Yi over and over. I felt so bad for him that I tried to give him a kill but he was scared of anything red he just ran away. (He eventually came through and got the kill in the end.)

To sum this all up, smurfs hurt and make the game hellish for newer players, instead of making a fun and helpful environment they destroy any interest new comers had coming in to League. It ends up really hurting the game and it's community.

22 Comments

kirbyzama3 votes

There are 3 types of Smurfs. 1 High level smurfs looking to avoid long queue times. Usually not a problem they rise really quickly. 2 People wanting to play with friends just starting out. Usually duo queued. can be toxic and teaching his friend to be toxic. Still rare though.

Then there is the third kind. These guys have smurfs just to stomp noobs. They are silver to plat players usually feel too big about themselves that want an ego boost. They are toxic on all their accounts usually but these guys are the problem with smurfs. Heck sometimes they have the smurf because their old account was suspended or banned or they think it will be one day.

They aren't uncommon either. I had like 3 people on my friends list who have second accounts to dumpster people. Those are only the ones I knew about.

JLau2 votes

They want to feel good about themselves when they can't get out of bronze.

disregardable2 votes

Trying to make a smurf sucks ass. Not saying being abusive is okay, just that trying to win games with the most incompetent players there are to offer WITHOUT your normal champion pool, runes, and masteries is just fucking frustrating.

zane yalgir1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-01T01:44:27.434+0000)

Trying to make a smurf sucks ass. Not saying being abusive is okay, just that trying to win games with the most incompetent players there are to offer WITHOUT your normal champion pool, runes, and masteries is just fucking frustrating.

this is true but unlike the smurfs hes describing i couldnt even offer help i made a "smurf" when i had my two week and it got insta chat restricted

i dont care about the perma ban threats shitty riot "shut the fuck up bitch" from a feeder is unacceptable espcially when i have offered advice and told them give the turret if you have to to stop feeding giving turret is tactically and stratigly smarter if you haven't fed 5 or more kills it forces a grouping mid or and over extension allowing jungle more gank paths

if you fed thanks for the lose cause bot lane feeding is almost always gg

Cale0171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-01-01T01:44:27.434+0000)

Trying to make a smurf sucks ass. Not saying being abusive is okay, just that trying to win games with the most incompetent players there are to offer WITHOUT your normal champion pool, runes, and masteries is just fucking frustrating.

That doesn't excuse people gating new players by completely obliterating them since they're still more experienced players.

disregardable1 votes

To be fair, newbies really shouldn't be playing PvP anyway. I was told not to touch that shit until level 12 or so, when I had a pretty solid understanding of the basics of the game and champions I was familiar with. I made a gradual transition from mostly bots to fully pvp over the next 3 levels.

Cale0171 votes

[{quoted}](name=The AFK Farmer,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2015-01-01T03:12:28.910+0000)

To be fair, newbies really shouldn't be playing PvP anyway. I was told not to touch that shit until level 12 or so, when I had a pretty solid understanding of the basics of the game and champions I was familiar with. I made a gradual transition from mostly bots to fully pvp over the next 3 levels.

The difference between a seasoned level 30 player and a level 12 player is about the same as a level 1. Especially with how quick the first ten levels are.

disregardable1 votes

Not actually true. I got matched against a Level 17 Varus in teambuilder (two games after I got matched with a diamond. not a smurf, an actual diamond account. I'm in Bronze 4.). He was actually winning in lane at one point. He was by far the least experienced person in that game, and he did reasonably well before mid game. Of course by then I had my IE, Greaves, and Bork, and he had BT, Shiv, and Runaans...not much of a match there.

That's really the biggest difference I could see. Not knowing the most optimal way to build his champion. Which that could've easily also been true for me if I was on a smurf and didn't have access to Jinx or MF.

kromon1k2 votes

Natural selection.

The smurfs create an environment that immediately weeds out the casual scum from the game. This ensures that only people who are at least somewhat serious about the game make it into ranked.

AtheosisX2 votes

The only scum are the people who think being serious about the game means it's okay to abuse people when they struggle.

Alljoy1 votes

I've had a fair amount of smurfs in my games when I started out and truth be told, I've probably picked up alot more from how they played.. even if they were just cheesing it out, than if I would've by just derping around with other newbies.

Leti the Yeti1 votes

Never knew smurfing bothered new players(okay maybe it has before Riot through my mmr into space), not when I smurf atleast.. I only ever run against other smurfs

NewGrange1 votes

this account is a second account, but i rarely play it and if i do its with friends. I had a game with a very verbal smurf and asked him why he is doing it. He said ranked starting soon gotta duo.

If we got rid of ranked duo for Solo Ranked, it'd help curb a lot of these issues.

If people want to a ranked with a mate, theres ranked team or maybe they could bring in a ranked 2v2 on howling abyss.

WafflesTheEpic1 votes

I just call them Gold Tier.

Seriously 95% of the players I see rage are gold, or at least vocal about it.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

the best way to learn quickly is to get dumped on

Cale0171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Owl Or Nothing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=0007,timestamp=2015-01-01T03:02:22.435+0000)

the best way to learn quickly is to get dumped on

No, it isn't. When you suddenly get killed and you don't know how it even happened you dont' know how to fix it other than just staying far away, and you can't learn well when you're afraid.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

every game I've ever played at a competetive tournament level, if I got into it at a later stage in the meta, i would just go get the shit kicked out of me at two or three tournaments way above my level and by the fourth time i was putting up a fight and by the 5th time i was placing

It really truly helps if you go in wanting to learn

Cale0171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Owl Or Nothing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=000700000000,timestamp=2015-01-01T19:03:53.843+0000)

every game I've ever played at a competetive tournament level, if I got into it at a later stage in the meta, i would just go get the shit kicked out of me at two or three tournaments way above my level and by the fourth time i was putting up a fight and by the 5th time i was placing

It really truly helps if you go in wanting to learn

The difference is that you were playing competitively. You were aware of the innate mechanics of the game, and much of it was already second nature to you. So when you got beat you could recognize why. Not just "that red haired chick teleported in and then spun and I was dead." You understand the type of damage that was done, where it was coming from, how it was being dealt, and you could recognize how to prevent it in the future. A low level player doesn't know these things. They're going off of recommended builds and are still trying to figure out that "last hitting" thing everyone keeps yelling at them for. Smurfs can get items done faster and outplay low level players by virtue of being more familiar with mechanics, as well as playing noobstomp champions like Jax, Renekton, Akali, or Yi.

A person only learns when they have the ability to dismantle something they made a mistake on by a critical level. You can't throw an electrical engineering book at a high school freshman who just learned the difference between volts and amps and expect him to figure out what it is. People need time to learn basic concepts before they can try to learn the advanced ones, and more time after that to apply them in a critical, analytic fashion.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

i wasn't aware of the innate mechancis. That was how i learned them,. You underestimate the ability to learn

Cale0171 votes

[{quoted}](name=Owl Or Nothing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-01T19:58:40.973+0000)

i wasn't aware of the innate mechancis. That was how i learned them,. You underestimate the ability to learn

You weren't aware of counter building? You weren't aware of the relationships between armor and health? You weren't aware of how to maximize on hit effects? How to hybridize damage? How to actively change your intended build based on whether you're ahead and can go more offensive or behind and need to be more defensive with people like fighters and bruisers? You didn't know about AA resets, or how to more effectively combo with someone like Riven? Timely juking, and proper ward placement? A lot of these are things that people take partly for granted. Once you've learned them you don't really have to remind yourself, it becomes almost muscle memory. I know that if I'm going on a heavy in with Diana my combo to ensure that whoever I'm picking on right then and there dies beyond a shadow of a doubt is DFG Q R AA W AA E AA R. But I don't have to THINK about doing it, I just have to decide I'm doing it and then let it flow from there. I've mastered the mechanics behind something so instead of thinking about every little thing I'm doing during the combo I'm thinking about the end result instead and the rest takes care of itself.

If you were playing competitively, at level 30, I can pretty much guarantee that you were familiar with mechanics like that. You knew how to combo. You knew when to dodge skillshots. You knew what to expect from other champions and how to keep them from being able to completely and totally overwhelm you. The things that you learned from those competitions weren't the basic requirements needed to play adequately at max level. They were the things that exceed the basics, and even the advanced mechanics. People who've played champions so much that they can just feel what they need to do and when. People who can play League almost like it's second nature.

And THAT is why smurfing is bad. A level 12 player is familiar with the game, but they're still getting the gears moving. The fact of the matter is that at level 30 most players, even if you aren't going into ranked, who are serious about the game no matter how much they intend to focus on the fun of the game vs the competition, have reached a point where everything they do is smooth. We don't second guess our mouse clicks. We've learned how to keep track of how fast the health bars on a minion wave are going down and what minions are targeting what other minions so we can better predict our last hitting. We've learned. By the time you're level 12, you're probably hitting 100 CS around minute 30 or so, after that you've probably got enough ranks in abilities and items to start taking out waves. But a level 30 player will have 2 or 3 hundred at minute 30.

There IS a difference between knowing the game well enough to see why you've lost and learn from it, and being a fresh player who is getting beat by a champion they've never seen before using items they've never heard of using stats they don't understand.

Aurelius Maximus1 votes

dawg I'm not even talking about LoL with my example,, although i learned lol this way too.

I played Tekken, street fighter and smash all at a tourny level by going and getting my ass kicked before i even knew the basics

IF you go in ready to lose but willing to learn its good for you

Sarutobi1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Owl Or Nothing,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=2EKuAcKM,comment-id=00070000000000000000,timestamp=2015-01-01T19:58:40.973+0000)

i wasn't aware of the innate mechancis. That was how i learned them,. You underestimate the ability to learn

You underestimate that not everyone learns at the same pace as you!

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