one example why Poppy nerf is unfair imo

FrankTheTank2688·Jan 12, 2017·2 votes·1,406 views

Compare Malphite to Poppy, since both are "tank fighters".. Why is it that malph's ult has 400 base damage with 100% AP scaling when post nerf Poppy's ult does a mere 200 base damage with a laughable 45% AD scaling. How is this remotely balanced? What is the point to pick Poppy over Malph? IF the devs actually read what they put as their reason for the poppy nerf:

"On the other hand, her snapcast ultimate brings enough base damage to create kill pressure of her own, and make it dangerous to go all in. We’re hitting her power in both places to give more champions an opportunity to fight her."

Why is it then okay for malph a tanky champ to have a (in my opinion a better ultimate in every way) far superior scaling? At least be consistent in your philosophy for nerfs..

Finally, why not just nerf (like they are in the PBE) colossus and THEN SEE HOW SHE PREFORMS? That would be more logical.

16 Comments

ValyrianBladeJan 12, 20173 votes

Poppy's ult was meant to be a CC ability / teamfight warping ability that can change a 5v5 in to a 5v3.

Instead, she's using the snapcast to get extra damage and CC in a kit that's already overloaded with it, to bully in lane.

She's actually a strong laner, and scales harder than just about anyone else - in to an unkillable tank.

She needed BIG nerfs. I mean, most people who play her are really bad at her and still do well. Every poppy you see makes mistake after mistake and can't be punished because she was simply too tanky and had too much 1v1 potential. She needs to pay for her super scaling late game.

FrankTheTank2688Jan 12, 20171 votes

malph ult is literally a game changer and can knock up more ppl, do more dmg, and has a longer range.. where is the trade off?

UltraGigaNigaJan 12, 20171 votes

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malph ult is literally a game changer and can knock up more ppl, do more dmg, and has a longer range.. where is the trade off?

Did you know ult is not the only ability in poppy's kit? Because it is for malph

FrankTheTank2688Jan 12, 20171 votes

that is a complete exaggerated and you know it.

SithesisLordJan 12, 20171 votes

Now let´s compare the two of them.

Malphite's passive gives him a shield based off of his max HP, that can easily be lost and not easily regained. His Q is a targeted MS steal i.e. slow+MS boost. His W is passive armor increase and tiamat passive when activated. His E is an AS reduction that forces him into an armor stacking build in order for it to do anything. His ultimate is the only reason why the purchases Abyssal Scepter and while it is a teamfight changer, it still keeps things 5v5.

Poppy's passive is also a shield that scales with her health but is easy to get because somehow Riot thought that giving it for free when she last hits with the buckler is fair. Her Q is an area slow with %maxHP damage. Her W increases both her resistances, doubling the increase when she's is below 40% HP. And it stops dashes. Her E is a displacement and if positioned properly, a stun. Her ult is also a displacement, one that changes teamfights around easier than Malphite's.

Now consider which keystones they take.

CoC for Poppy, Grasp for Malphite. Now consider dash matchups, in which 3/4s of Poppy's abilities proc CoC, one without any effort. Malphite takes Grasp because that´s all he can take, unless he goes for the cheesy TLD in some matchups, which is unsurprisingly sup optimal, at best.

Plus, Malphite builds mostly tanky with the exception of Abyssal. And he does so simply to give his ultimate, the only actually important ability in his kit, some extra damage. If he took CoC and somehow, by some miracle, hit 5 people with his ultimate, sure, he'd get a big shield from the proc, but it´d mean nothing because he can´t follow up on that.

Poppy's nerf is well deserved, as is the current extreme nerf to CoC on PBE's 7.2 patch cycle. Tanks and bruisers with a lot of reliable hard CC and shields, i.e Poppy and Nautilus, should not be able to get high returns from CoC proc. It´s the reason they became overbearing. And with an exception to that lot of hard CC rule, it´s why Darius sneaked back into meta when he shouldn´t be in meta.

The reason Malphite's ult has high base damage with 100% AP scalling is because other than on maybe URF, no one, and i repeat, NO ONE is going to build full AP on him.

ValyrianBladeJan 12, 20171 votes

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malph ult is literally a game changer and can knock up more ppl, do more dmg, and has a longer range.. where is the trade off?

Poppy's Q is miles better than any damage ability in Malphite's kit aside from his ult. Poppy's E is miles better than any ability in Malphite's kit outside of his ult. Poppy's W outright denies a legion of champions, whereas Malphite simply makes auto attackers build armor pen (which Poppy actually does too).

Poppy's non-ultimate kit is literally better than Malphite's in every way.

That's the tradeoff.

You could actually remove Poppy's ultimate and she'd still be played. With no ultimate. That's how broken her kit is. If you removed Malphite's ultimate, a challenger player would probably lose to a bronze player on that champion. Silver at least. Without it Malphite is pretty much nothing.

UltraGigaNigaJan 12, 20172 votes

This is literally why you are bronze

FrankTheTank2688Jan 12, 20171 votes

k offers no constructive feedback.. you are the cancer of this game

RalanrJan 12, 20171 votes

Malphite is fucking dumb.

BunnymapJan 12, 20171 votes

Malphite is R. R is Malphite. They are one and the same. He can throw his other skills out the window.

XinCrinJan 12, 20171 votes

Poppy has percent health damage meaning she builds full tank and does damage. Her W also scales insanely well.

Malphite does not have any of this.

FrankTheTank2688Jan 12, 20171 votes

im speaking on her ult... however that is a valid point with her Q

XinCrinJan 12, 20171 votes

Right, but her q in extended trades mean she kills everyone even without the ult damage. Also, the ult was intended to be used as a disengage tool, not a damage tool, and most poppys were using it as a damage with the "snap" cast.

FrankTheTank2688Jan 12, 20171 votes

yes I was using it as a dmg, and utility only sometimes.... I just dont find it fun when a game takes away all brusier out of a champion.

Thank you for actually debating logically and not a complete douche like some of these ppl.

Leblancs BoobJan 12, 20171 votes

Probably because Malphite's ult is literally his entire kit. His ult is the only reason to ever pick him. Poppy's kit offers much more than just her ult. She's constantly a threat with strong utility, damage, and innate tankiness that even without her ult she is still a massive threat.

VoraciousXJan 12, 20171 votes

Her ult damage is honestly the least dangerous thing about her. I don't think they're taking all of her damage away just from her ult. Also if they nerfed Malphite's ult he'd literally have no point in being played most likely, because his ult damage is the only real damage that he comes with. If they nerfed it, the only reason to ever pick Malph afterward would be if there was MissFortune Yasuo on his team.