I know it helps you, but, honestly, if it is impossible for you to clear without help you shouldn't even jungle.
Sometimes players are afk and blame them losing on sub-par leashes.
Jungle mains are probably the biggest drama queens on the rift.
RogueWill22 votesWhy does mid laners feel entitled to blue buff? Why does adc feel entitled to red buff?
I know it helps them, but honestly, if it is impossible for you to keep your mana/kite correctly without hep you shouldn't even play carries.
Oh wait I remembered, is a team game and doing stuff that helps out teammates is the correct thing to do if you wish to win, specially things that doesn't even affect you. (Waves haven't even crushed yet, you are not losing any xp)
Colonel J1 votesWhy does mid laners feel entitled to blue buff? Why does adc feel entitled to red buff?
I know it helps them, but honestly, if it is impossible for you to keep your mana/kite correctly without hep you shouldn't even play carries.
Oh wait I remembered, is a team game and doing stuff that helps out teammates is the correct thing to do if you wish to win, specially things that doesn't even affect you. (Waves haven't even crushed yet, you are not losing any xp)
When I play mid and adc I actually don't feel entitiled to either buff.
When jungling I only ask mid if they want blue if they're doing well and not feeding. Same with ADC and red. Buffs shouldn't go to useless people. It should go to whoever has the best chacne of utiilizinng it to its full potential.
Jungle leash and buffs can't really be compared since everyone is the same at lvl1. Especially when you get invaded and bot or top has to go back to lane and can't leash for you else they get a level or 2 behind.
RogueWill4 votesThe fact that you are asking this question tells me that you never jungle but fine...I'll bite.
From season 5 on wards the jungle camps clears time, xp and gold where optimized to the point is really unforgiving. This was because pro plays was being really efficient and since the role has no direct contact with the enemy jungler (for most of the times anyway) you coudl easily automatize the process with less variables. Now camps would require the jungle specific items (and that required taking smite) in order to give full xp; furtehrmore, on the first clear, most viable champion woudl require a leash in order to avoid an early recall.
Now, except for a handful of viable yet very weak junglers, you can jungle perfectly without a leash. But that translates similar to playing a lane where your opponent has 2 kills on you. The enemy jungler will come out of the jungle anywhere between 30-60 sec before you, furthermore he will be 1 level ahead of you during that time which will translate in you getting push out of the jungle if he wishes to invade one more time. In order to recoup the lost HP (from teh extra 3-4 hits you took) you most likely will have to recall after your 4th camp, preventing you to putting any pressure on any lane until much latter (just before the second clears start, usually around min 6), and I know how you guys love a jungler that doesn't gank.
Colonel J1 votesThe fact that you are asking this question tells me that you never jungle but fine...I'll bite.
I play Jungle when I'm filled but I can do it pretty well.
I've actually played jungle all seasons of the game. Even before season 1.
I say that makes me a veteran of the jungle.
RogueWill2 votesAnd....now I know you are trolling.
Junglers didn't exist on NA during Season 1, in fact the idea of anything different of a 2-1-2 came from first worlds. Junglers were optional during season 2, you don't believe me? go watch the champion spotlight of a few of the older champions, in some of them it says "Check if your enemies have a jungler or not" .... just saying.
Emelie Cauchemar1 votesAnd....now I know you are trolling.
Junglers didn't exist on NA during Season 1, in fact the idea of anything different of a 2-1-2 came from first worlds. Junglers were optional during season 2, you don't believe me? go watch the champion spotlight of a few of the older champions, in some of them it says "Check if your enemies have a jungler or not" .... just saying.
To be fair, my team utilized a double jungle strat back in season 1 with double tank bot and top with Ashe mid. It was fairly effective.
But yes, you are correct in that jungling wasn't really thought of back in the day, and was only done by a very small hand full of champions.
UnboundHades4 votesI find it hard to believe you've even played for 10 days
Colonel J1 votesI find it hard to believe you've even played for 10 days
Respect your elders, boy.
Nørse1 votesI've jungled all seasons as well, sparringly mained Mid/Support for a while. Maining it now, used to main support. There are very few junglers that can rock a healthy clear with no leash. The ones that can, aren't particularly strong junglers either, which leaves your options as such.
Pick an easy power farmer who has little to no map pressure, but perhaps a good late game presence.
Pick a meta jungler, don't get a leash. Have to back after 3-4 camps due to low health. Lose map pressure and XP.
Get a leash, be full health or close to it after 4 camps, get a quick level 3-4 gank in depending on if you went with a raptor start.
The leash doesn't just help the jungler. It helps your lanes as well, if you want your best shot at winning, leash. Especially if you are going to cry about not getting ganks/counter ganks. You don't lose anything for leashing if you do it properly, if your an ADC and you need to afk for a minute. That's fine. I've started top side and gotten a leash there, it's pretty rare all lanes refuse a leash. Because most teams realize how valuable that fast start to jungle is.
The jungle is a lot rougher than it used to be, and most junglers can't run a 5 camp clear without a leash. The fact that you think it's no big deal kind of gives away that you don't actually jungle.
Colonel J1 votesThe jungle is a lot rougher than it used to be, and most junglers can't run a 5 camp clear without a leash. The fact that you think it's no big deal kind of gives away that you don't actually jungle.
Wrong.
Nørse3 votesCorrect. The jungle is a lot rougher than it used to be. If you don't think it is, you certainly aren't a multi-season jungler, and you certainly aren't a good one based on your stats.
Colonel J1 votesCorrect. The jungle is a lot rougher than it used to be. If you don't think it is, you certainly aren't a multi-season jungler, and you certainly aren't a good one based on your stats.
Jungling is the easiest it's ever been thanks to smite healing now and the new jungle items.
Riot's been dumbing down the jungle for a couple seasons now.
Nørse2 votesGo watch pro junglers then, even with smite heal, and a leash they don't finish clears at 100% health. In fact, go watch SKT Peanut play his Nidalee jungle. Even with a strong leash, and smite heals he almost dies on his first clear several times.
The jungle used to be super easy.
Colonel J1 votesGo watch pro junglers then, even with smite heal, and a leash they don't finish clears at 100% health. In fact, go watch SKT Peanut play his Nidalee jungle. Even with a strong leash, and smite heals he almost dies on his first clear several times.
The jungle used to be super easy.
Some champs having more difficult clears than others does not make the jungle the "hardest it's ever been."
Nørse2 votesDid I say this iteration is the hardest it's ever been? No. It's certainly harder than S2-4, and is by no means a cake walk. Yes, you've certainly got more tools at your disposal in the jungle. That's largely because you need them to be effective.
Season 1 was tough, mainly because of shallow pools of who could jungle. Champion kits were a lot simpler, and underwhelming, but this jungle also didn't scale. So the first clear took you to 30% hp with no leash, sure, but it wasn't hard.
Colonel J1 votesDid I say this iteration is the hardest it's ever been? No. It's certainly harder than S2-4, and is by no means a cake walk. Yes, you've certainly got more tools at your disposal in the jungle. That's largely because you need them to be effective.
Season 1 was tough, mainly because of shallow pools of who could jungle. Champion kits were a lot simpler, and underwhelming, but this jungle also didn't scale. So the first clear took you to 30% hp with no leash, sure, but it wasn't hard.
It was harder for other reasons as well.
Counterjungling was a lot more punishing+rewarding and junglers would have to remember spawntimes.
Sp33d Zer01 votesFor your next 20 games, I challenge you to ask your botlane not to leash you in a single game and post us the matches.
Colonel J1 votes[{quoted}](name=Sp33d Zer0,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1psEYoZY,comment-id=00000000000000000003,timestamp=2017-07-09T07:45:32.881+0000)
For your next 20 games, I challenge you to ask your botlane not to leash you in a single game and post us the matches.
I'm afraid 20 league games would take me over 3 weeks to achieve. I don't, and can't, play League all day.
Sp33d Zer01 votesThen take those 3 weeks and see what it is like to jungle against an enemy who does get that leash and can beat you to your buffs and invade you, or make the first plays on the map.
Tohob10 votesif you can't spend a little time helping your jungler BEFORE minions are in lane and you don't even have anything else you could be doing except standing in lane waiting for minions
then why should they spend the time to gank your lane when they could be in their jungle catching up on the farm they lost by having to clear without a leash?
Billy VoHagen9 votesWhy do laners feel entitled to a gank?
Colonel J1 votes[{quoted}](name=Billy VoHagen,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1psEYoZY,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2017-07-09T05:48:01.659+0000)
Why do laners feel entitled to a gank?
Lanes should only feel entitled to a gank if they've already been ganked by the enemy jungler.
If I shit the bed bot and the jungler doesn't gank I'm not going to get mad the the jungler for not saving my ass for being bad.
Eedat9 votesbullshit double standard. If you dont want to leash, then no ganks. And keep your mouth shut when you're 0/4 getting dove by the enemy jungler. Dont expect help from others when you're a selfish prick
RenownedWheat422 votesPREACH
Zane Zephyr2 votesExactly. It really irks me when i'm starting red and my top laner doesn't leash me then wonders why i stay away from his lane unless it is an absolutely braindead easy kill for me to take
AlienPrimate2 votesUnless they are Singed. You shouldn't really ever expect a leash from Singed.
Colonel J2 votesbullshit double standard. If you dont want to leash, then no ganks. And keep your mouth shut when you're 0/4 getting dove by the enemy jungler. Dont expect help from others when you're a selfish prick
This response is exactly why i said junglers are drama queens.
You dont get a leash so youll farm all game and not gank. Very mature... Sad!
Ganking and leashes aren't equivalent. When i dont get a leash i'll still gank because i'm a mature individual.
BeatzBoyFTW2 votesYou dont get a leash so youll farm all game and not gank.
No shit. You refusing to leash for him cripples his early sustain, and he has to continuously farm most of the time to catch up exp & gold with the enemy laners. So technically, you're part of the fault too.
This applies to junglers who're not
.
Colonel J1 votesNo shit. You refusing to leash for him cripples his early sustain, and he has to continuously farm most of the time to catch up exp & gold with the enemy laners. So technically, you're part of the fault too.
This applies to junglers who're not
There is a difference between needing to farm to catch up because no leash and refusing to gank a lane because no leash.
The first makes sense. The second is childish. (And reportable.)
zacktootall1 voteswell the jungler shouldn't gank enemy lvl 6s if he/she is lvl 4 hence the farming and the leashing again follow the gold
zacktootall1 voteswait i agree but why ?
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesHis early game sustain is already kind of strong due to his W. He'll be a tad crippled from the red/blue buff, but he'll get his health back a lot easier.
zacktootall1 votesif he doesn't get a leash then he will be behind and will have to farm all game so he can get the items he needs to be able to help the team in team fights. you see its not about maturity as much as you would like to make it, it is about the money(or gold if i may) the more gold you have the better off you are to do things like ganking and team fighting and the faster you can get that gold the better that is why junglers want leashes for the gold
Colonel J1 votesif he doesn't get a leash then he will be behind and will have to farm all game so he can get the items he needs to be able to help the team in team fights.
"i have to farm all game cause you didn't leash for me."
wut
What did the other lanes do to deserve this?
zacktootall1 votes""i have to farm all game cause you didn't leash for me" so now i have to try and catch up" do you ever read the whole thing?
its not that they deserved as much as you just can't when you are around 2 levels down and an item behind the enemy laners
Ben SwoIo6 votesWhy wouldn't you leash? When I play support, I take two hits as I'm leashing to help with their sustain in the jungle. If it helps them, it helps the team. Faster clear, more ganks, more pressure. Just sayin.
RenownedWheat425 votesLeashing doesn't just help the jungler, it helps you as a laner. GTFO with that nonsense fam.
Big Lincoln4 votesit's just a nice guy thing to do, you help me with my first camp, i get my clear done sooner, i can gank sooner
you scratch my back i scratch yours. be a pal
oSEXYPLATYPUSo3 votes[zombie-brand-facepalm]
EvilMerodach3 votesLeashing isn't about the jungler 'needing' that leash in order to clear. It's about safety vs cost.
It costs you very little to leash. If done correctly, you'll lose little health. Your 1st cs will heal that back if you have Feast mastery, or enough regen in your support stuff if you're a tank support and you tank the 1st couple hits from it. And you should still be in lane in time for 1st minion to die, which you can hit at the very last second and get the cs from it, and support should be in range by then to get exp from it too.
So, the real question is, what reason do you have to not leash?
Are you bad at last hitting? Are you going to fail to get that 1st cs because you don't know how to path correctly/know the correct time to leave leash and head for lane? What can you gain from being in lane before minions are in lane?
Jungle camps spawn at the exact point your minions reach outer tower, and you have several seconds before they actually start killing each other.
-So, what exactly are you going to do in that time?
If it's not leashing/watching jungle for invades, then you are just wasting time being a costly ward for your tower, which in itself is already a ward. Might as well double ward that inner brush by inhib tower too while you're at it.
It's just a waste of team resources to do anything else other than leash/watch jungle.
This isn't season 1 where everyone just ran to stand next to their respective outer towers to wait 3minutes for the game to actually start.
The game starts as as soon as spawn pool gate opens. Go do something useful.
Colonel J1 votesLeashing isn't about the jungler 'needing' that leash in order to clear. It's about safety vs cost.
It costs you very little to leash. If done correctly, you'll lose little health. Your 1st cs will heal that back if you have Feast mastery, or enough regen in your support stuff if you're a tank support and you tank the 1st couple hits from it. And you should still be in lane in time for 1st minion to die, which you can hit at the very last second and get the cs from it, and support should be in range by then to get exp from it too.
So what exactly has it cost you to leash?
You gain a huge amount of safety, not only for your jungler, but for your team as a whole. You're making it dangerous for the enemy to invade by being there. If the enemy invades, and you're not there to counter it, then your lanes are going to be vulnerable too, because they'll be able to gank you from places your team can't ward yet.
So, the real question is, what reason do you have to not leash?
Are you bad at last hitting? Are you going to fail to get that 1st cs because you don't know how to path correctly/know the correct time to leave leash and head for lane? What can you gain from being in lane before minions are in lane?
Jungle camps spawn at the exact point your minions reach outer tower, and you have several seconds before they actually start killing each other.
-So, what exactly are you going to do in that time?
If it's not leashing/watching jungle for invades, then you are just wasting time being a costly ward for your tower, which in itself is already a ward. Might as well double ward that inner brush by inhib tower too while you're at it.
It's just a waste of team resources to do anything else other than leash/watch jungle.
This isn't season 1 where everyone just ran to stand next to their respective outer towers to wait 3minutes for the game to actually start.
The game starts as as soon as spawn pool gate opens. Go do something useful.
Naw I always help leash if I'm bot for those reasons exactly, but junglers should still not feel entitled to a leash. It's just funny when junglers throw hissyfits when they don't get one is all. DRAMA QUEENS!
EvilMerodach1 votes[{quoted}](name=Colonel J,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=1psEYoZY,comment-id=00110000,timestamp=2017-07-09T14:56:26.617+0000)
Naw I always help leash if I'm bot for those reasons exactly, but junglers should still not feel entitled to a leash. It's just funny when junglers throw hissyfits when they don't get one is all. DRAMA QUEENS!
Hm, well I think it's more just standard and they get confused/annoyed when people do something different without an explanation. Like if the support just starts going to top lane before minions spawn. At least 1 person is going to spam ? pings on them.
I'm a jungle main, and I usually go sit in side brush by river or the small patch in river, till something happens. Unless adc/support go off in some weird direction, then I follow them, cause I figure they got some kind of plan. But then if they just go sit by bot tower and do nothing, I do get pretty annoyed. But I just go back to being a scout by river watching for invade. Ping any enemy champs I see....and if they invade and bot doesn't move, I get pissy.
But if noone shows, I just sigh and go for the long annoying 1st clear of kiting things for forever and skip the less valuable camps.
I can do my 1st clear without leash on pretty much anyone except 
...and if a team doesn't leash for an eve...they pretty much don't need to be playing ranked, or maybe at all...cause that's boarderline int. throwing a match.
Need Gold 4 Tent3 votesput it this way:
Your jungler doesn't get a leash. Theirs does. Your jungler is at half hp by the time he starts his 3rd camp. Their jungler invades at full hp. Your jungler dies or burns flash and has to recall. Their jungler clears your jungle while your jungler was in base. Now he's - 1 or 2 levels from the laners. Guess who's not getting any ganks?
zacktootall2 voteswell maybe we should talk about adc then........ no? ok then gtfo plz
Colonel J1 voteswell maybe we should talk about adc then........ no? ok then gtfo plz
Wat do you mean?
zacktootall1 votesadcs always need a support in lane and peel in team fights so if they need that much help throughout the game why do we have them?
Colonel J1 votesadcs always need a support in lane and peel in team fights so if they need that much help throughout the game why do we have them?
Because Riot embraces and enforces the adc+support bottom.
Long ago ADCs used to go mid. (I know ADCs like Lucian and Corki do right now, but those teamcomps go 2 ADCs with one bot still so it's different.)
zacktootall1 votesso should we go back to how it was then sense the adc seems so useless in bot right now with all the help it needs
Succubús GF2 votesFarming for downvotes is an interesting approach to shitposting