Idea for Kha'zix R Evolution

Stompburger·Nov 3, 2014·2 votes·610 views

Make it increase his passive proc damage (all the time, not just after using his ult). Thoughts?

10 Comments

67chromeNov 3, 20141 votes

It fits thematically, though it also competes with Taste Their Fear in overall function. Big burst after surprising someone. Kind of awful if you're trying to gear the evolution thing towards adapting to things if they get redundant.

Currently, Taste offers more damage for burst and finishing a target. Void offers more power/AoE in harrassment to weaken a target to a level they can be finished off. Leap offers more mobility. Void Assault offers a lot more invisibility.

If you try to make an evolution compete with the others by adding redunacnies and flat-out buffing them, you just cause the same issue all over again where one of his other 3 skills is seen as the the most sub-optimal one to rank. With the added disadvantage of making the choices more muddled.

StompburgerNov 3, 20141 votes

Yeah, I agree that the differentiation from the Q evolution is an issue. While fitting thematically, the additional damage does cause the evolutions to be more muddled, as you say. Maybe instead it could increase the slow from his passive?

Or maybe some interaction with being in brush? That would make sense with the "camouflage" idea. Also I think the 50% damage reduction while in stealth was interesting, but definitely too strong. What do you think would make R an attractive/strategically effective evolution choice?

Lord DusteonNov 3, 20141 votes

Yeah, I agree that the differentiation from the Q evolution is an issue. While fitting thematically, the additional damage does cause the evolutions to be more muddled, as you say. Maybe instead it could increase the slow from his passive?

Or maybe some interaction with being in brush? That would make sense with the "camouflage" idea. Also I think the 50% damage reduction while in stealth was interesting, but definitely too strong. What do you think would make R an attractive/strategically effective evolution choice?

Maybe make R not have that crappy recast delay his unevolved one has? I might think of taking it then, if only so I don't die because my R won't let me cast it again.

SouL1essNov 3, 20141 votes

Riot intentionally changed the recast delay so you can't chain-stealth, which I disagree with but they think is necessary.

junglerboy16Nov 3, 20141 votes

That was only necessary when it still had the 50% damage reduction. Now that it has been removed they should accordingly remove the cast delay they had put in.

SouL1essNov 4, 20141 votes

Oh? I thought Riot removed the 50% damage reduction in the same patch as they added the 2-second stealth, then after 2 patches they said the chain stealthing was too good and they nerfed it. I may be wrong.

junglerboy16Nov 4, 20141 votes

Nope, they buffed the stealth to 2 seconds and had the 50% damage reduction at the same time. First they nerfed it because it was reducing turret damage (broken), then they added the delay between recasts to nerf it again. When that wasn't enough, they nerfed his Q damage and removed the damage reduction from his R. They left the extended duration but also kept the recast delay. It is good that it is still there because it reinforces the play pattern they wanted where he chases with stealth>AA>stealth>AA>stealth>AA. The only issue with it is that it is inconsistent with the unevolved R which doesn't have the same delay.

SouL1essNov 5, 20141 votes

I thought the unevolved R had the same recast delay as well. IMO both variants shouldn't have the stealth recast delay...