Zhonya`s Hourglass and the lack of magic resist with damage items.

Myssys·Jun 17, 2015·1 votes·988 views

Hi all.

I want to leave my feedback on the item mentioned above. It gives 120 AP, and 50 armor as bonus; and an active of invulnerability of 2.5 seconds with 90 seconds cooldown. I find this item to be overkill when spammed.

Id like that this item would be changed its active ability into a passive ability that has (lets say) 200 seconds, and that its auto triggered when players HP drops under a given percentage (e.g. lets say 20% ).

Also i would love an AD version of this item, like you gave magic users Luden`s Echo the equivalent of Statikk Shiv.

And for the second part of the topic. As an AD melee main player i suffer Vs magic champions with high AP scaling. To counter them i have only Maw of Malmortius and Mercurial Scimitar and boots which gives a mizzly 25 MR. In best case scenario i can have close to 200 MR points w/o armors. I dont tend to get MR armors because then i cant kill AP champions.

15 Comments

blahmaster6000Jun 17, 20152 votes

Please no.... you're basically giving the enemy team a free bard ulti so they can catch up to you and kill you if that change were to go through.

StellafreyjaJun 17, 20151 votes

Exactly what I thought. If you're running away and someone manages to land an attack that drops you below 20% you freeze and every catches up to you. The way Zhonya's is set up now is fine.

MyssysJun 17, 20151 votes

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Exactly what I thought. If you're running away and someone manages to land an attack that drops you below 20% you freeze and every catches up to you. The way Zhonya's is set up now is fine.

If you think that it`s fine the way it is, then id like an AD version of the item to return the favours

StellafreyjaJun 17, 20151 votes

I could see that becoming a thing. It would be nice, especially considering how squishy the ADC usually is.

EndlessSorcererJun 17, 20151 votes

AP champions typically deal burst damage (excluding DPS casters) based on their cooldowns. Zhonya's Hourglass lets them delay for their cooldowns or avoid abilities.

AD champions typically deal consistent damage. Mercurial Scimitar lets you remove CC which enabled you do deal more damage before dying.

If you want early damage and survivability as an AD champion (i.e. an equivalent to Seeker's Armguard), then you want Hexdrinker.

EndlessSorcererJun 17, 20152 votes

Lack of magic resist with damage items...

item 3001 item 3174 item 3060 item 3156 item 3139 item 3091

Rammus Ok

MyssysJun 17, 20151 votes

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Lack of magic resist with damage items...

Ok

Since when the first 3 items give Attack damage?

EndlessSorcererJun 17, 20151 votes

Zhonya`s Hourglass and the lack of magic resist with **damage **items

You didn't specify attack damage. Damage items can easily refer to AD, AP, attack speed, critical chance, armor or magic penetration/reduction, and/or on-hit damage.

ZileanUltJesusOPJun 17, 20151 votes

I see what you are saying but the solution you provided is not viable. Some people dont want to or use zhonyas at low health. I can name plenty of times that i used it at close to full health to avoid a good ult or some burst. Forcing the player to do it would mess up their team fight and ability combo because they would have an unpredictable zhonyas and they would never know when it was going to go off. Second, there is a reason there are only 2 ad items that give mr. Could you imagine if there was 3 or 4? if they had an ap heavy team you could build all 3 or 4 and have 300 ad with 260 mr or more. How is that fair? you shouldnt be able to go full ad and still be tanky as all hell. This would produce the same problem that jarvan had when his e gave him armor. He would build the old black cleaver, ad jungle item, last whisper and then build one randuins and have 200 something armor and be one shotting squishies. I think zhonyas and magic resist ad items are perfectly fine where they are at.

LaceUp23Jun 17, 20151 votes

First off, your change to Zhonya's isn't a good one. Also, Hexdrinker >>>> Seekers.

General Esdeath Jun 17, 20151 votes

Id like that this item would be changed its active ability into a passive ability that has (lets say) 200 seconds, and that its auto triggered when players HP drops under a given percentage (e.g. lets say 20% ).

Let's not and say we did. I could ignite you and run away while you're chasing me and that only helps me. You could be at 20% and I'm at 5% so really you just lost a free kill. The counterplay on zhonya's is that it can't be activated when CC'd.

Also i would love an AD version of this item, like you gave magic users Luden`s Echo the equivalent of Statikk Shiv.

You mean like a item 3139 ?

And for the second part of the topic. As an AD melee main player i suffer Vs magic champions with high AP scaling. To counter them i have only Maw of Malmortius and Mercurial Scimitar and boots which gives a mizzly 25 MR. In best case scenario i can have close to 200 MR points w/o armors.

Get a Banshee's Veil.

MyssysJun 17, 20151 votes

You mean like a ?

Since when a dispel is = to 2.5 sec of invulnerability?

General Esdeath Jun 20, 20151 votes

Seeing as it gives you move speed, reduces any CC, and as an AD champ you don't require your skills to be up to do anything, you have auto attacks. But stat wise it's the same thing.

General Esdeath Jun 20, 20151 votes

Seeing as it gives you move speed, reduces any CC, and as an AD champ you don't require your skills to be up to do anything, you have auto attacks. But stat wise it's the same thing.