look at his pick and ban rate, .04 ban rate, .58 percent pick rate. Less than 1 percent of people pick this dumpster fire of a champ, can we throw the whole kit in the garbage and start over instead of reworking ryze for the 7th time?
Room 3610 votesI don't think there's anything wrong with his kit, he's just very seldomly played because he's a very niche pick. His play style is incredibly awkward for most beginners but he is perfectly capable of climbing the ranks for those who master him.
Sona Cant Mid4 votesThere's clearly something very wrong with him if his pick rate across all elo's is .58 percent. His kit might "work", but that doesnt make it a fun or engaging kit.
IP Masquerena4 votesFun is relative.
Does he impact your games? No. Does he matter for you? No.
You want to play him, learn him, simple as that.
He's a champion with arbitrary the highest skill floor in the game but he doesn't really make flashy stuff like Zed or Yasuo, the 2 most played champs in the game.
OtterlyLost2 votesI don't think there's anything wrong with his kit, he's just very seldomly played because he's a very niche pick. His play style is incredibly awkward for most beginners but he is perfectly capable of climbing the ranks for those who master him.
OP also conveniently left out how ASol has the highest WR in the game according to OP.GG. He's a niche champ with dedicated mains because he is niche and also hard to play. His kit can function though if you're good which is proven by the fact that he has almost a 56% WR.
Sona Cant Mid3 votesHighest win rate with .58 percent pick, that means the numbers are skewered compared to other champs, and of course he wins when half of a percent of people pick him, nobody knows how to play against him because he's not a champ.
IxtaliKing6 votesI remember being so excited for Aurelion Sol until I saw his kit.
Absolutely hated the fact that his main damage source was stars floating around him. When I first saw an in-game pic of him, i thought the stars may have been activated by a certain amount of spell hits for a duration. When I found out they were permanent, I was disappointed.
That being said, he has a dedicated player base who love him and do well with him. Wouldn't be fair to rework him just to increase his play rate. That's what Riot did to Karma, and she really has become a dumpster fire of a champ.
CrazyMonkeyCZ5 votesHey, how about fuck off, if you don't play that champ. As player of 1% pickrate champ, the last thing I want is Riot touching my champ.
Ryze was/is broken, that's reason to rework, Asol is hard, that's not.
Sona Cant Mid4 votesHey, how about you learn that Riot doesnt make champs for people to play him less than 1 percent of the time, thats a terrible waste of resources and money; and watch who you're talking to son. The only reason im not your father is because your raggedy mom couldnt break a $20, so show me some respect.
CrazyMonkeyCZ4 votes[{quoted}](name=Sona Cant Mid,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0sQywX1a,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-06-18T10:06:39.604+0000)
Hey, how about you learn that Riot doesnt make champs for people to play him less than 1 percent of the time, thats a terrible waste of resources and money; and watch who you're talking to son. The only reason im not your father is because your raggedy mom couldnt break a $20, so show me some respect.
Chill old man.
How about focusing on broken/problematic champs before complaining and reworking fine ones, that are loved by small but consistent community?
IP Masquerena3 votesCare to prove that they don't want niche champs?
deathgod54 votesBecause Ryze was problematic and aurelion really isn't. The Ryze rework that was currently changed had the problem that it was really op in pro play and underpowered in normal play and if played optimally, also terrible to play against. Aurelion is fine according to the players that play him and not problematic overall.
They even explained why ryze was reworked in set patch notes: https://na.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/game-updates/patch/patch-912-notes
Sona Cant Mid4 votesThe problem is that Riot spend presumably thousands of dollars and waited YEARS to make this champ, and then less than 1 percent of people play him. Thats a terrible waste of resources and money, and indicitave of poorly designed champ, even if his kit technically "works".
IP Masquerena4 votesThat's a difference tho, if you look at champs that aren't flashy not over busted with numbers, you'll see low play rates.
I took for Diamond according to U.GG: A-Sol: 55% win rate, 1% pick rate. Taliyah mid: 52.31% win rate, 1.3% pick rate Donger: 54.77% win rate, 0.7% pick rate
According to your "nobody plays him thus he needs a rework", Donger would need a rework before A-Sol.
Stop thinking that everything needs to be flashy and played by everyone. Most people just fun him boring, but he's not bad, his win rate is quite absurd.
Sona Cant Mid1 votesAll 3 of those champs do need a rework, they are shovelware champs. If nobody plays them, there's a reason....
IP Masquerena2 votesThey don't need a rework.
There are players playing them.
There's millions of players in the game, but let's say there's only 1.000.000 active players. A-Sol's 1% pick rate means that 10.000 players play him, but LoL doesn't have just 1 mil players, it has more, so that 1% is quite a decent amount of players.
Taliyah is played jungle and mid almost equally, and totals a 3% play rate between the two roles, so she's picked quite respectably.
Taliyah, A-Sol and others who are low pick rate despite their high win rate have some in common, they don't really feel like they are the carry, and for good reason, they have as main win condition winning the other 2 lanes more than their own.
Then let's look at the most played champs, Zed, Yasuo, Lee Sin, Irelia. All flashy champs who make it clear that they are the ones feeding the enemy lane....I mean that they are the ones that carry the game, they get the big scores, flashy kills, etc.
People want to feel special, they want to feel important, but just like enchanter supports who barely anyone outside of mains play when not in metas like Ardent meta, A-Sol and Taliyah boost the team, not their own score card, which is exactly what the vast majority of players don't want to, they want those big scores.
Just because there's a stupid "I'm the carry" mentality doesn't mean champions that don't fit it need reworks. Those champions are hella strong, and their win rates show it, but they aren't as easy as Zed to play, nor flashy. People who want to put effort in learning a "hard to play champ" want to feel the empowerement of the score card, not just to win, but to win being the one who 1v9. Many don't even want to let themselves carried for a win, would rather troll than to win just because they aren't the carry.
On My Kill List1 votesThat's a difference tho, if you look at champs that aren't flashy not over busted with numbers, you'll see low play rates.
I took for Diamond according to U.GG: A-Sol: 55% win rate, 1% pick rate. Taliyah mid: 52.31% win rate, 1.3% pick rate Donger: 54.77% win rate, 0.7% pick rate
According to your "nobody plays him thus he needs a rework", Donger would need a rework before A-Sol.
Stop thinking that everything needs to be flashy and played by everyone. Most people just fun him boring, but he's not bad, his win rate is quite absurd.
not sure why you brought taliyah here. taliyah is actually flashy and broken as fuck whenever she's remotely viable. infact taliyah is one of the best playmakers in league next to azir and lee sin. infact she's riots poster girl for roaming mid mage.(or roaming ap jungler since riot keeps kicking her out of mid) facing a good taliyah is not fun at all. due to how near instant her damage and combo is and almost undodgeable. i like aurelion sol but he really is a bad champion design wise,numbers wise and generally a disappointment thematic wise. the only times he was ever viable was when mage items were busted after the last mage itemization rework. and right around after his first buff barrage before people started crying out too loud. infact looking back he probably didn't need all of those nerfs. after that he's been tethering on the edges of usefulness and uselessness. as for heimerdinger he's a high winrate pub stomper who is too easily countered by many meta champs. he really shouldn't be mentioned by you either.
Crow Nebula4 votesAurelion's appearance and lore are what got me interested in League. Aurelion's mind-numbingly boring gameplay is what destroyed my interest in playing League. Now I just do the odd Aram and occasionally scour the boards for rework news, but I'm not invested in the game at all. The only way I'll start playing regularly again is if they rework Aurelion so he plays like an actual cosmic dragon and not a lethargic hula-hoop dancer.
Hvsao4 votesI really wish he got some love. Some buffs, or maybe a rework to his E.
GreenKnight3 votesWhy do people even want reworks. If you enjoy him, then play as him, if you don't, avoid him like fire. No point in reworking champions, other than to piss people off.
Jerry SeinfeId2 voteshe's not a problem just boring af.
Sona Cant Mid2 votesMy problem with everyone who said "there's tons of champs, if you don't like him then don't play him" is, A. That's a waste of money and resources as I said before, and B. Why have so many champs if 1/4th of them are like Soll? He's shovelware of a champ, another tally to increase their library of overall champs.
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My problem with everyone who said "there's tons of champs, if you don't like him then don't play him" is, A. That's a waste of money and resources as I said before, and B. Why have so many champs if 1/4th of them are like Soll? He's shovelware of a champ, another tally to increase their library of overall champs.
Your problem is that if you don't like the champion that is more than enough of a reason to want him changed. You don't like him? Then don't play him. Other people like him. What you think is irrelevant. You don't get to decide what is "fun" or what a respectable pickrate is. There will always be a champion that is insanely popular and those who aren't. You can rework him, just means that someone is going to take his place and is assuming that a rework would even get people to play him.
Sona Cant Mid3 votesI don't have to decide what is "fun" or "an acceptable pick rate" because he has been unanimously decided not fun by 99 percent of the playerbase, and if you don't think less than 1 percent pick rate is an unacceptable champ, then I don't really have any reason to discuss anything with you because you're either being contentious to prove your "point", or you're really dumb.
EATARI1 votesBut I like Mr. Space Dragon just the way he is. I mean, his gameplay doesn’t really capitalize on his theme, but I love both his play style and visuals independently of each other.