Today Ning realized something a lot of junglers havent realized yet (AHQ vs IG)

Veloz Destello·10/20/2019, 12:55:19 PM·13 votes·8,628 views

The toplane is not Tank vs Tank anymore. If you give a huge advantage to a Jayce, he'll make a hole in the toplane

I've seen A LOT of junglers that dont get something that simple. I see a lot of people complaining here about top snowball, but in game, I see that one jungler permagank top while the other just ignore it. Of course, after 10 minutes, the enemy Jayce is totally ahead and able to destroy the game from the toplane, while the other did get some truly useful ocean and wind drakes!

TLDR: Stop ignore toplane if you want that Kayle to do something the whole game

34 Comments

Zeppelins circus10/20/2019, 1:07:32 PM10 votes

OPERATION CAMP DYRUS.

Hi im 1210/20/2019, 2:07:12 PM8 votes

in game, I see that one jungler permagank top while the other just ignore it.

this is because one side of the jungle is 10x more beneficial to clear

Z3SIeeper10/20/2019, 1:45:23 PM8 votes

That was a massive counterpick matchup that occurred because both teams and every team for that matter were sticking to playing braindead safe ranged top laners.

When a ranged top laner counters a ranged top laner, it gets real bad real fast, especially with jungle pressure. Unlike melee champions who have higher stats and survival tools that typically make diving them a lot harder, ranged champions (yes GP is included here) don't have those tools to potentially fend enemies off in a 1v2. Basically, GP was a fucked pick.

Even still though, this required both mid and bot to not lose, which, in this game, they somehow didn't (pretty damn even between both those lanes w/ no kill trading).

Now if you try to take this knowledge to solo Q, you'll quickly realize it will never work because there will be at the very least cumulative 6 kills between the mid and bot laners before laning ends, putting a swift halt to any hope of top lane relevancy. Kills and trades happen nonstop in solo Q.

Edit: Oh disclaimer here, don't worry about all this nonsense for low elo, top laners can and do hard carry games in lower elo, it's only really high elo where the whole "bot lane meta" starts coming into play. I don't know exactly where the change really occurs but i'd say you'll probably start to feel it during plat-diamond while below you probably won't feel it all but above it's a constant factor.

Worst JG Wins10/21/2019, 2:14:52 AM4 votes

NEVER GANK A LOSING LANE

The thigh guy10/20/2019, 7:55:07 PM4 votes

Oh. My. Fucking. God.

Top laners bitch about junglers being top lane.

Top laners bitch about junglers ignoring top lane.

MAKE UP YOUR FUCKING MINDS!

Oh wait. That’s right. Top lane is the lane that cries the most while also being the strongest lane in the game by miles. And you all want to keep up the facade of being “poor, abused, weak laners”.

Hayaishi210/20/2019, 8:02:55 PM4 votes

The meta is "better jungler wins"

No lane can carry without the help of the jungler. A good jungler identifies the best lane to help. Sometimes its bot lane, sometimes its mid and sometimes its top.

"Better bot wins" means better jungler identified his bot lane getting ahead is a win condition. While the other JG didnt realize he had to help his bot lane secure the winning match up,not bot lane can win 3v2 even if they have a better early game.

Illabethe10/20/2019, 4:16:22 PM3 votes

You do realize it works the other way too? Garen/Urgot gets ganks, and THEY put a hole in top lane. They also often are able to 1v2 the opposing jungle ganks. Jayce on the other hand requires the ganks to even have a chance.

Talisid10/20/2019, 5:50:30 PM1 votes

There's no point in ganking for a losing lane in top, especially where champions like Darius, Riven, Vlad and Garen can 1v2 when fed. If you gank top lane, enemy top lane gets EVEN FURTHER ahead and now the game is really over. Kayle being dead weight for the first 15 mins of the game is even more incentive to not go there.

Better to try to get an advantage in lanes that aren't imploding, play towards your strong lanes. At least then you'll have something to show for it when the lane phase is over.

Tr4shB4NSYST3M10/20/2019, 6:24:20 PM1 votes

Listen I get that IG looked weak in the 1st 3 games of groups, but they're still the same lineup (with Ning in JG) that won the world championship last year, TheShy is still one of the best top-laners in the world.

And AHQ is an emerging region team. plus the jayce has a favorable matchup into GP.

I somewhat agree with your core point about toplane but b/c of this mismatches in this game I think its a poor example. A better example IMO would be the 1st game between G2 and GRF 2 days ago, Tarzan absolutely shut down Wunder's Kayle top early and he wasn't really able to be a factor in that game I think thats a much better example of your point about toplane in a much more evenly matched game.

Frontline Fury10/20/2019, 1:26:43 PM1 votes

They will never accept that top laners are players too. We only exist when they need someone to blame.

preternatural10/20/2019, 3:33:16 PM1 votes

gank the lanes