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Original Wc3 game tactics pre-2014

dalphy08··3 votes·8,532 views

Why is it we MUST abide by this strategy other players impose, where we have to have what the community (of people who barely know anything about the AOS genre) approves of the champions dominate any other old school gaming strategies?

I have won plenty of times with a physical attacking Mage, very other strange strategies. I shouldn't be getting banned for doing the original 2 top, 1 mid, 2 bottom strategy. I should be able to quadro in any lane I want, yet young people yell at you and tell you you have to be a Supp if you're a Mage, or that a "jg" needs to only stay at the bottom so they won't help you...

All in all, I don't think gaming should be so imperialistic, there's no reason you can't invent a brand new strategy on the fly. That's why I'm a top player in Diablo II yet I don't conform to set-in-stone structures for my characters. I dominate in the underground crypts as a bow and arrow Necromancer and no one can touch me.

See my point? Thoughts anyone?

7 Comments

UnboundHades3 votes

Playing suboptimaly just because you want to be unique is putting your team at a disadvantage at the start of the game. Meta isn't some evil thing that the community decides it's literally just the best thing at the moment thus Most Effective Tactic Available

Wild Geese1 votes

I agree but there's little fighting it at this point because 99% of the community accepts it now.

Riot wasn't originally like this-- they didn't want junglers to be a role, but then get caved and made junglers.

Gating the jungle behind"jungle items" then gating support around trinkets were the next step to meta enforcement, around this time they ran the "I am --" campaign (mid, top, junglers, marksman, support).

Then later on yet introduced their "class specifications" which they swore would not change how they designed the game, but went ahead and designed the game around it with their new runes system, removing AP reatios from many champions that they considered autoattack centric, creating rules about champion designs like "Juggernauts must have X and not Y" when designing Illaoi or redesigning Darius and Aatrox.

Now with role queue combined with role rank, it's done. Enforcement complete.

I think overall it's because of the games popularity skyrocketed in Korea, where the players appreciate this very controlled, very meta static kind of system. If you look at how the Koreans did with Dota: they hated it. In that game there's trilanes duomids, double junglers, 5 top-- etc.

I recommend you just pick old Champions and play a solo lane, the old Champions don't have as much 'synergy" built into their design so you can get away with having fun.

dalphy081 votes

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

I agree but there's little fighting it at this point because 99% of the community accepts it now.

No, there is much fighting to be done.

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

Riot wasn't originally like this-- they didn't want junglers to be a role, but then get caved and made junglers.

I know! Riot never used to do that, the actual built in classes (not fan-derived ones) are Mage, Marksman, Assassin, Juggernaut, and Fighter!

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

Gating the jungle behind"jungle items" then gating support around trinkets were the next step to meta enforcement, around this time they ran the "I am --" campaign (mid, top, junglers, marksman, support).

Yes, I see.

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

Then later on yet introduced their "class specifications" which they swore would not change how they designed the game, but went ahead and designed the game around it with their new runes system, removing AP reatios from many champions that they considered autoattack centric, creating rules about champion designs like "Juggernauts must have X and not Y" when designing Illaoi or redesigning Darius and Aatrox.

Now with role queue combined with role rank, it's done. Enforcement complete.

I know. I will battle this, as will you!

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

I think overall it's because of the games popularity skyrocketed in Korea, where the players appreciate this very controlled, very meta static kind of system. If you look at how the Koreans did with Dota: they hated it. In that game there's trilanes duomids, double junglers, 5 top-- etc.

Hmm...that I do not know. But I never liked DotA. It plagued Warcraft 3 and I saw a lot of my friends turn cold from it. They would kick you just for being a downloader (you had to download the map in wc3 if you didn't have it, it would DL in the lobby). If your items were no good, they would kick you.

Not to mention it HOGGED THE ENTIRE game list, and the game wasn't even that good. Now those same players have come to DotA 2 or whatever and even LoL, and now enforce all their rules.

[{quoted}](name=Wild Geese,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=0ekNPFnq,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-02-11T03:44:38.880+0000)

I recommend you just pick old Champions and play a solo lane, the old Champions don't have as much 'synergy" built into their design so you can get away with having fun.

No, there is much fighting to be done. I will NOT abide by that fan-imposed rule! I have changed a lot so far, these kids flame me; and that's why the report function exists! :D

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HyVee1 votes

AP shaco is working pretty well for me.

dalphy081 votes

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AP shaco is working pretty well for me.

I want to be an AS Shaco though.

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HyVee1 votes

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I want to be an AS Shaco though.

item 3101

I think that works too. Im not sure tho. Sorry I just started and just figured out how to see people's response

dalphy081 votes

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I think that works too. Im not sure tho. Sorry I just started and just figured out how to see people's response

It ok!!!! xPPplippyDEE

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