Lethality needs to go.

Ibüprofen·2/15/2017, 11:29:12 AM·32 votes·2,060 views

When professional players in the LCS start stacking multiple of the same item just to get more lethality, that alone should clue riot in on how broken this concept is. The early power spike is massive, and thats no counter play because of how easily and fast you can get it, so by the time you get your health and armor items, it's too late. In no way is this the answer to the adc problems, if that was the intention. It has to go. Everybody thinks its just armor pen, but its much worse, it's basically true damage, and assassins snowball so hard off it, same with any other AD. Where once there was some way to deal with an assassin who already has ridiculous burst and mobility, now its impossible. A level 5 lucian shouldnt be able to dash in and nearly one-shot the enemy adc with 2 autoattacks. Full armor/health items should not allow a zed to one-shot me anyway. Wtf is Riot thinking? This has been a horrible idea.

35 Comments

ThePikol2/15/2017, 11:39:41 AM5 votes

You can't have multiple item 3147 oritem 3814 oritem 3142 . Their passive is unique, so stacking multiple of the same itme is pointless. You can have one of each

BakedLotion2/16/2017, 4:49:50 AM4 votes

huehue look at me i can buy item 1036 item 1036 item 1036 item 1036 item 1036 early gave and instantly win lane because they all upgrade to lethality items

When ap champs cant even buy more than two item 1052 without feeling bad about it.

Trump2016Trump2/15/2017, 6:21:49 PM2 votes

leathality is ruing the game i can't even play tanks anymore because leathality = true damage so you need to pick assassins to kill assassins god this game is devolving all this happens + the "new" shiity client that feels like a downgrade from legacy.

ForgiveColour2/15/2017, 4:35:13 PM2 votes

Yeah when lcs is just mages its totally fine

Handin Out Naps2/15/2017, 9:29:37 PM2 votes

I wonder how long its going to take before people realize lethality is bad against tanks, especially early game. Its actually quite funny seeing tank players run around crying about lethality. But you know this is the boards 0% knowledge, 100% circlejerk thats what this place is known for.

Dominick Destine2/15/2017, 6:44:16 PM1 votes

Yeah I was initially skeptical about the backlash, but now I realize it was completely correct.

Lethality needs HARD nerfs.

Sqwal2/16/2017, 8:48:08 AM1 votes

Yeah im getting really tired of Pantheon being able to walk up to you q deal a busted amount of damage and walk away unharmed because turret only fired one shot and his passive absorbed it.

I Stealth I2/16/2017, 9:35:47 AM1 votes

I see your logic here, man but a couple of questions.

  1. If lethality goes, does it bring back normal armour pen?

  2. What about magic pen?

  3. why is lethality so abused?

Ralph Lars2/16/2017, 11:43:08 AM1 votes

The assassin rework came and made assassins champs spiral out of control. "Oh I know. Let's introduce the 'Lethality' stat into gear in a way it can be abused and snowball out of control" Huzzah, Riot's logic.

Ralph Lars2/17/2017, 1:39:08 AM1 votes

Ban/Pick rates for champs like Varus, Miss Fortune, Pant, etc skyrocketed for a reason. Marksmen and Bruisers building assassin-oriented gear all thanks to lethelity

FireDrizzle2/15/2017, 1:29:15 PM1 votes

well you can sell the serated dirk for 770 gold(i belive), putting you 330 gold off a complete item. Not a massive amount, and he will be much stronger than if the slot just has a longsword or something. Selling 2 dorans rings will lose you 480 gold. I'm not defending lethality though, it is too much atm.

Teridax682/15/2017, 1:57:02 PM1 votes

Beyond the balance issues tied to Lethality (it used to be really weak, now it's far too strong), I think the stat is just fatally flawed by design. It was intended to be a stat that essentially only assassins would stack in large amounts, which would let them kill squishies in a manner that also let them operate while behind. Whenever Lethality's good, though, it gets stacked by marksmen, who then kill squishies far too quickly, while also stacking it with percent armor reduction to deal high damage to tanks. Its function as flat armor penetration is horribly opaque, but is also so dependent on in-game momentum that it's practically impossible to balance its on-purchase spike properly (it's either too weak to be worth getting in the midgame, or too strong all around). Assassins need to scale with items differently, and I think the issue also lies with marksmen, who will abuse whichever AD build is the most optimal in their current state.

SnowFall2/15/2017, 4:32:07 PM1 votes

Full armor/health items should not allow a zed to one-shot me anyway. Wtf is Riot thinking? This has been a horrible idea.

I feel like I've heard this some years ago with Arm Pen and old Last Whisper

Snowman Arc2/15/2017, 6:00:53 PM1 votes

Well, every champion stacks a specific stat because it works for them. Mages stack AP, Tanks stack Armor / MR, ADs now stack Lethality alongside AD. I don't see the problem.