Remove Grave's W interaction with Elise's E

Even··24 votes·11,383 views

I don't understand how Grave's W still works while Elise is in rappel, you can make the ability completely useless/harmful for elise by pressing one button. Please just change it so it doesnt work when Elise is ALREADY in rappel, but it will still work if Elise rappels after standing on the smokescreen (because thats your fault).

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Kloak6 votes

Remove Graves. Period.

Imperial Pandaa1 votes

My guess would be due there technically not being a Z-axis to measure height. If they adjusted that, then people would probably want other things to be changed, like Trist jumping over Skillshots

Even3 votes

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My guess would be due there technically not being a Z-axis to measure height. If they adjusted that, then people would probably want other things to be changed, like Trist jumping over Skillshots

It wouldn't be very hard for the game just to check if Elise has activated her e or something right?

Imperial Pandaa2 votes

They could, but that does start other things as well. Like the Lee Sin being blinded by a Teemo Q.
Would be interesting to see what sort of bugs came from that checking code though.

Z3Sleeper2 votes

Well assuming they don't spaghetti it I think having a checker for untargetable champs makes sense rather than try some wonky z-axis stuff.

That's just asking for more bugs that they won't fix for a few years.

Terozu4 votes

Actually they explained that Teemo usee a different chemical on Lee Sin, one that temporarily restores his sight, disorienting him.

DemainaNyx1 votes

If that's true, that's really cool that they thought that far ahead IMO to explain it.

FatedSaviour1 votes

what about yi's alpha, could they just not use the same kind of coding for else e, so you are actually untargetable and all that, so graves w wouldnt ruin it, unless im mistaken and graves and do the same thing to yi's starting location

BobaFlautist1 votes

No, Elise E specifically makes her "Untargetable" like Fizz E and Vlad W. Untargetable is a bit of a misnomer, you're actually immune to any new damage or cc effects while you're Untargetable whether aoe, targeted, or skillshots, but you continue to take damage from already applied DOT effects (Malz E, Cass Q or W) and you don't break tethers attached before the untargetability (Fiddle W, Karma W).

As far as I'm concerned, Graves W is just a ground targeted repeated aoe affect like Soraka or Kog'maw e, so there's no reason it should apply while you're untargetable. There are two possibilities:

  1. It got applied to Elose before she was up in e, and the effect just lasts a bit after you leave it with E making it function as if you were still in it.
  2. For some reason only exactly Graves W forgets to check for untargetability.

It would be easy enough to test with a friend if the effect still hits you while you're untargetable with E though.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

I didn't even know about this interaction, but it sounds like complete BS. As both, a Graves and Elise player, I hope they change that asap.

Friendly Ram1 votes

Reminds me of poppy w ww interaction.

TheKinglyKing1 votes

It works on Karthus during his passive too xD

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