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So why do some assassins have 5 hr delays while someone like akali doesn't?

vinnythetaco·11/23/2017, 8:10:17 PM·28 votes·1,855 views

I always figured assassins were supposed to be glass cannon mobile and high cd champs. All about skirting the battlefield waiting for the perfect moment to strike whilst being tough to catch easy to kill. Yet LeBlanc and Evylenn needs to sit around waiting for a stupid timer before doing anything but zed and akali can just jump,face roll and kill u once they hit 6? By the time the timers are done ur opponent already went beneath turret recalled and made a sandwich wtf. Whoever thought this was a good way of adding counterplay is wrong. I'm no fan of kat deleting u in .1 sec but just standing around waiting for my dagger to land is stupid. At least lower them to something like 1 second so they have a moment to flash or something.

Give them more skillshots, terrain use for more damage something that isn't arbitrary waiting timers before they can do damage.

34 Comments

Hashihime11/24/2017, 12:41:34 AM4 votes

She has a delay. It's called passive and has a 4 second cooldown at max.

OP Garen Support11/24/2017, 1:47:37 AM4 votes

Thank the ADC mains for bitching that they cant 1 vs 1 all the other classes in the game. It worked we got ADC meta in season 7.

Akali is SO HOT11/24/2017, 12:54:32 AM4 votes

Akali is balanced around not being able to 1 shot you with a single rotation. Leblanc and Eve can can you with one combo while Akali has to wait for cooldowns to finish you off. If you are behind and she's ahead, then chances are she'll be able to 100-0 you with one rotation, but that is generally not the case. That's why.

And Zed's ult is delayed and ez af to counter.

Reformedfindlay11/23/2017, 9:09:06 PM3 votes

Riot is weird.

Zed, talon, and akali can all unload their damage in a matter of a second while leblanc and eve, etc. are forced to wait arbitrary times.

SteelMankind11/24/2017, 6:30:18 PM3 votes

Akali also has to auto attack. Not that its a huge delay to her burst, but it does force her to stop moving for a split second. This, combined with the rather long static CD of her ult, means that if she gets CC'd while autoattacking, or even slowed while her target uses their escape, there's almost no chance of her closing the gap.

LordGeovanni11/23/2017, 11:40:54 PM2 votes

Leblac 's 'delay ' is nearly the same time it takes for akali to q and auto attack not to mention that you shouldnt be delaying anything on leblac anyway you q e r e and you set for damage.

Thefrostyviking11/23/2017, 11:04:29 PM2 votes

The main reasons would be that eve can roam while invisible.

And LB is ranged.

That's why they are penalized x)

DragonShea11/23/2017, 11:32:57 PM2 votes

Also LB's attacks still fucking hurt.

PhantomPrankster11/23/2017, 9:12:19 PM1 votes

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I always figured assassins were supposed to be glass cannon mobile and high cd champs. All about skirting the battlefield waiting for the perfect moment to strike whilst being tough to catch easy to kill. Yet LeBlanc and Evylenn needs to sit around waiting for a stupid timer before doing anything but zed and akali can just jump,face roll and kill u once they hit 6? By the time the timers are done ur opponent already went beneath turret recalled and made a sandwich wtf. Whoever thought this was a good way of adding counterplay is wrong. I'm no fan of kat deleting u in .1 sec but just standing around waiting for my dagger to land is stupid. At least lower them to something like 1 second so they have a moment to flash or something.

Give them more skillshots, terrain use for more damage something that isn't arbitrary waiting timers before they can do damage.

before the rune and masteries update she was trash

now that rune and masteries are reworked shit tier characters now have a chance.

vinnythetaco11/24/2017, 12:54:26 PM1 votes

Zeds ult delay is bs as a timer or issue it's not like u can dodge it. once its on ur taking damage all he has to do then is mash every button then R out and boom squishy mage is dead sry he was 6 and i couldn't afford a zhonyas that early or a don't play fizz religiously.

And leblanc feels clunky as fuck i never cared that she didn't have waveclear that was one of her downsides, early game she was complete garbage and relient on succesfull roam ganks Or late game so a waveclear champ would punish her hard early and if they had target cc then shes done for.

And eves nice but her "gapcloser" is like 1 inch long and the dash mechanic on it is like a joke at our face like they know its pointless and stupid. And her stealth sight should be a bit smaller than an entire lane since she still melee.

Talon is fine its the duskblade item thats stupidly broken.

BambooWorld11/24/2017, 3:16:59 PM1 votes

Because she is garbage in lane and also are melee

Kloqdq11/24/2017, 3:59:37 PM1 votes

Riot has needed to figure out how to do Assassins for a long time now. They get the odd one right but assassins as a class are always weird with them. Like they don't know how to make a good one that feels different.

Dreadlocks11/24/2017, 4:58:06 PM1 votes

Eve doesnt actually need to wait for w timer lol, she can 100-0 without it and her ult.

Poop Jelly11/24/2017, 10:01:40 PM1 votes

Because not all assassins are nor should they be the same?

Personally I love the current leblanc. She does take a lot more consideration and caution in addition to mechanics to make successful plays, similar with Evelynn. They are champions that make you feel smart when you make the right decisions. No one says those 2 are easy to play and they do have to work a little harder to execute their assassinations, but their concepts are completely fine.

As for Akali, I read somewhere she's getting a rework or mini-rework, right? But the thing about Akali that's problematic is that whether if she's ahead or behind they're both unstable for enemies or teammates. Not to say she's completely unstoppable, but it does feel oppressive when shes ahead and rather useless if behind.

To be honest, I thought the cries for assassins would've stopped by now. Not because I mind them, but I thought there are changes that benefit assassin class at the moment.

Colton14711/24/2017, 8:39:33 PM1 votes

Fizz item 3070

Emerald Fang11/23/2017, 11:16:07 PM1 votes

Akali really needs some form of cool down on her ultimate because she will instantly shit on any mage in the game. Considering 50+% of midlaners are mages this is scary.

OverpoweredSoap11/24/2017, 12:03:27 AM1 votes

LeBlanc's in the state she's in because of the way her W works, tbh.

She's a pretty safe assassin.

As for the rest, I dunno.

CloudedLogic11/23/2017, 10:42:25 PM1 votes

Who knows? That was the only major differences I noticed without actually looking at the champion kits.