People who pick late game comps are shooting themselves in the knees

MrEatButtAssPiss·Nov 11, 2018·2 votes·1,231 views

Especially in low ELO it's hilarious how many teams try to pick shit like and others nowadays when:

-they dont know how to farm -dont know how to play safe -dont know the subtle nuances of denial such as minion management -early game champs are overtuned to all hell and oppress high length gameplay because of the fortnite disorder riot adopted -they counterpick themselves by doing this

it hurts ranked, and normals alike. Normals is one thing to play your champ that you want, but it's a testament to how badly riot balances the game when even a champion like who people cried about for years on end is now a troll pick. Then you try to pull that in ranked and you lose solely based off comp.

6 Comments

macspamNov 11, 20183 votes

Ezreal has good burst with his W change ... And xerath will poke the shit out of anyone. Not disagreeing with your point, just saying that those two arent the best examples.

MrEatButtAssPissNov 12, 20181 votes

Xerath literally gets camped if they dont lane properly, and there's no reason to play him when Lux might only off screen you with her R, it doesn't take skill to hit. Also xerath does reward good players much more than the average mage but again, we're talking about anything below gold and those winrates are unsightly.

Ezreal also has xerath's problem but has some manueverability, but he does almost nothing early.

Pandemic PunchNov 11, 20181 votes

In low elo, scaling champions are fine. You have to know how to win the game early to make them effective. Low elo is notorious for not knowing how to close the game out and it goes late. Kayle is fine, Kog'maw is fine, Azir is fine, Ezreal isn't usually because of player skill level, Gangplank same as Ezreal, Kalista is bad across the board, and Xerath is not a scaling late game terror. Anivia doesn't really scale, she just hits a sustained power spike after hitting level 6.

If I were low elo, I would much rather have a Kog'maw, Twitch, Tristana, Sivir, or Jinx on my team instead of a Lucian, Ezreal, or Jhin. The scaling champions where you just right click and the enemy team blows up is more effective when the player controlling the champion is terrible at the game.

MrEatButtAssPissNov 12, 20181 votes

I'm finding across multiple games (200+ games in silver/gold) that late game comps just flat out suck. sure you can make the close out argument but there's another side where you can't even GET to that point where you can take advantage of a wide open game.

Pandemic PunchNov 12, 20181 votes

I never said late "comps". That is an entirely different discussion.

Having a discussion about an entire comp that is playing nothing but scaling champions is pointless in solo queue because you have no control over what your teammates will pick. That said, we have to focus on the effectiveness of a scaling champion in a typical solo queue comp. We also have to talk about their effectiveness in each rank. That is why I specified low elo in the first comment because their games are typically longer due to them not knowing how to close a game out. That is also another point that I made in the first post. You can't seem to comprehend it though.

Twitch , Sivir , MissFortune , and Ashe , have the highest win rates respectively in the ADC role once you remove Heimerdinger and Mordekaiser. Their play rates are so small that mentioning those two is probably irrelevant. Miss Fortune would be the only one in the top 4 that is a early game champion (Though she is still effective late game with her ultimate off of CD).

The next three ADC's on the list are Quinn , Lucian , and Jinx respectively. So in the top 7, we have four scaling champions even in platinum+. Lucian definitely has the highest efficient win rate since his play rate is absolutely insane. Quinn probably isn't even worth mentioning like Heimerdinger and Mordekaiser, because her play rate is lower than both of them. She has the 2nd lowest play rate right behind Corki in the ADC role.

Now.... If I am in low elo and I know that my ADC is unskilled at the game mechanically, then we have a much higher chance of winning with any of the top scaling champions. The reason? Because when all they have to do is right click to blow up 5 people, it is significantly more valuable to have than to see a Bronze-Platinum player try to play Lucian in a late game team fight. His range is extremely short and he is single target focused. It is also better for low-skilled players to have brainless and quick wave clear.

It is also funny that you use Anivia as one of your examples, when she has one of the highest win rates in Bronze, Silver, and Gold. She also isn't even a scaling late game monster who blows up an entire team with minimal effort. Her poke isn't even that great. She is mostly a zoner who can hold a lane down for an extremely long time.

Xerath Isn't really a scaling champion. He is an early-mid game champion who can be very oppressive with a lead.

Is a scaling champion. I agree with you about this one because the skill of the player matters. You need to blow teams up with minimal effort but Gangplank takes a lot of effort by the player to turn him into a hard carry.

Ezreal Same as Gangplank, but a little easier to use that Gangplank. Although, seeing Ezreal picked on my team is a pet peeve of mine when every other teammate picks tanks or utility. When you put all of your eggs in the Ezreal basket, you need your Ezreal to be HIGHLY skilled to match the hyper carry ADC's that require minimal effort to carry.

Azir is bad across the board. Sure he is probably the strongest scaling hyper carry control mage in the game.... BUT he relies on a skilled player and 5-6 items before he can truly become that threat. Again you are right about this one because it takes Azir WAYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY too long to scale in the hands of a lesser player.

Kalista Complete trash garbage azz champion in lower elo even after she scales. Takes her about as long as Azir to scale but her range is so short that no player in lower elos will be able to properly pilot her in big fights. She is even worse than Azir at low elos.

KogMaw is extremely powerful in low elos. In a lot of cases, all it will take is the right support and the rest of Kog's team comp doesn't even matter.

Kayle is without a doubt one of the strongest champions in low elo. She can bully many lanes AND scale at the same time. Not sure why you listed her. Kayle has one of the best win rates across all elos in Top AND Mid. I am sure once you get to mid and high Diamond, she will probably start falling off. However, from Bronze all the way through Platinum+, she is statistically one of the best champions in the game in two roles.

MrEatButtAssPissNov 12, 20181 votes

The playrates of those listed that are contrary to my opinion are REALLY small.

There is merit to having a comp balanced between early mid and late, and ideally, you'd want a little bit of it all, but that like you said has no bearing on solo queue.

Second point to get to - You do bring up the mechanics of some of your picks in ADC. While I can say for certain I see a SHIT tonne of more Vayne than Jinx , Draven than Ashe , Jhin over MissFortune , you would be right in saying a right click spammer is more ideal, but from what I've gathered (no exact numbers on the picks and all the small nuances sorry), they mainly play it just because it's "fun" to play or they want to get into that 1v9 mindset that really messes up low elo and those champs (aside from MF) can literally do just that.