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Why comeback xp needs to be nerfed/Why playing jungle feels unfair

Lexand··2 votes·941 views

I am a shaco main, and I won't complain about him being weak, he's fine, but what I dislike is how comeback XP works. So I will tell this like a story: I queue for ranked, I first pick Shaco , enemy jungler picks Rammus . I know I have to shut him down early so I do. I find him level 2 at his wolves and I kill him, I steal his jungle. In minute 5 he is still level 2 while I'm level 4, I keep messing with him early while still being 2 levels above him. https://prnt.sc/niwebb here is a photo in minute 8 showing our level difference before I kill him and get to steal his red again.

I can't really invade him anymore because my laners are losing even with rammus being unable to gank so I look to help them.

He gets to clear a wave from midlane while Orianna backed and at minute 11, 3 minutes later, he is almost the same level as me https://prnt.sc/niwdub followed by him being the same level as me at minute 13 https://prnt.sc/niwetg .

So all I did early game to put him behind was for nothing because one wave from midlane gave him a whole level of XP. Also, tank items are cheaper so he basically had the same number of items as me with less CS. Because of this you don't have solo carry potential from a jungle position, you rely on your laners (usually botlane difference) to be good and win the game for you, and all you can do is get them ahead early.

This was a high plat game on EUNE(don't type stuff like plat eune= iron 1 euw plz)

7 Comments

xDogMeatx1 votes

well if theres nerfed comeback exp why not auto explode the nexus if you thought games became steamrolly now where when enemy team gets too tanky for their own good wait till comeback exp is nerfed ggez goodbye outplay hello i can tank 1000 turret shots even though im adc thing.

Soul Dealer3 votes

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well if theres nerfed comeback exp why not auto explode the nexus if you thought games became steamrolly now where when enemy team gets too tanky for their own good wait till comeback exp is nerfed ggez goodbye outplay hello i can tank 1000 turret shots even though im adc thing.

Nerf comeback xp and buff tankyness and damage of turrets. Games will be longer, comebacks won’t be as easy but still possible and when you get dived early game by a jungler and laner your turret will actually do something.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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Nerf comeback xp and buff tankyness and damage of turrets. Games will be longer, comebacks won’t be as easy but still possible and when you get dived early game by a jungler and laner your turret will actually do something.

Hell no, why dont we just make the nexus be unkillable for the first 100 minutes of the game? It'll make the game longer! You can buff the turrets all you want it'll amount to nothing unless you buff them to such a degree that you would need multiple completed items to take the first turret in the game.

Eedat1 votes

For the love of god NO. We dont need any more changes to force early duelist junglers further ahead and the Jungle is already so far behind in XP as it is. You might as well afk if you're a jungler and die early if they did that

Lexand1 votes

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For the love of god NO. We dont need any more changes to force early duelist junglers further ahead and the Jungle is already so far behind in XP as it is. You might as well afk if you're a jungler and die early if they did that

I'm not asking to remove jungle xp, i'm saying that getting ahead of the enemy jungler is imposible because of how comeback xp works. Think of it like this, if a toplaner/midlaner get ahead in xp, they are ahead in xp for the whole game, but if a jungler gets ahead in xp the enemy jungler will just recover that xp difference by getting 1 wave of xp from a laner that backed or sth, because junglers are 1-2 levels behind solo laners always, if you are even more behind, comeback xp always keeps you in the game.

ZephyrDrake1 votes

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I'm not asking to remove jungle xp, i'm saying that getting ahead of the enemy jungler is imposible because of how comeback xp works. Think of it like this, if a toplaner/midlaner get ahead in xp, they are ahead in xp for the whole game, but if a jungler gets ahead in xp the enemy jungler will just recover that xp difference by getting 1 wave of xp from a laner that backed or sth, because junglers are 1-2 levels behind solo laners always, if you are even more behind, comeback xp always keeps you in the game.

So what you are asking is for one little mistake from the enemy jungle to equate to "well i guess I'll never be useful in the entire game"

Warpes1 votes

LOL no.

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