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Veigar changes will not make him better

Lord Asurya··3 votes·689 views

Everyone know that after the rework, Veigar lose a lot of his strengh. Yes, nerf the cage was necessary to break the frustration to play against him but ... trade it with the frustration to play him is not so cool.

First at all, why Veigar changes after the cage change don't buff him :

The Q change make his farm ability stronger, can touch 2 players, is a rapid skillshot but ... :

  • Veigar ultimate was lowered
  • Veigar reliability was destroyed as hell
  • Veigar can hit with his W 1/5
  • Veigar automatically lose a duel when he fail his E or when the enemy champion itemize against him (purge + Zhonia for AP, QSS for AD ...)
  • As a paradox, the E nerf make him more and more dependant from his E again

Look at a champion like Annie : Why take Veigar when you can take her ? Strong level 1 to 18, very reliable. Burst similar before 40 min, stronger duellist, stronger engage, not dependant from any of her spell to fight.

Now, the next changes :

  • make Veigar Q also stack on assist, why not, but it will be useless : Veigar strengh will not change with 50-100 AP more or less, but only with a better reliability
  • make W fall at the start of the cast and not at the end : too slight

What can help Veigar to be more reliable : change his W :

  • Make the meteor HIGHLY larger and reduce his damage (a meteor is not a little stone :p)
  • Make it similar to Soraka Q or Xerath W : will be effective and balance ... but not original
  • Add E passive : champion in the cage (not necessary stuns) receive more damage from Veigar

4 Comments

Predatore3 votes

BUT BUT why pick annie when you can play as the final boss?

Malix Farwin1 votes

Veigar if played properly counters annie pretty hard. He is almost perfect, he just needs minor tweaks here and there.

Lord Asurya1 votes

Veigar have 3 problems who make him more dependant of his opponent than dependant of his own skill :

  • items and spells like Mercury Threads, Purge, QSS, Banshee and Zhonia are more effective against him than most of heroes
  • Veigar can't duel without his ult
  • Veigar stun is pretty easy to avoid : both long range AP and assassins (except ... Kassadin) counter him but ... the others have their chances too

Thank for your feedback guys :p !

PS : Just give final boss winrate (no, not Skarner before nerf xD) to the final boss hero :D !

lB2kGRlc8y1 votes

I kind of figured that the "buffs" wouldn't help at all. Riot seems to have purposefully blinded themselves to Veigar's flaws, and think buffing Q can fix it. The fact that 75% of his kit is easily avoidable and he can no longer use E to get away since the drop time is longer than his life span, he's basically free food for the enemy midlaner. Veigar can do incredibly well assuming his opponents are dumb as rocks, that's clearly shown itself in his win rates, but the second people use the lumps of fat in their skulls he's powerless.

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