SKT is only warming up right now against these foreigners that will never take a game off a korean team
did you know that Korean eSports teams get funded by the government and big telephone companies? it's like at&t and verizon funding TSM getting all the best players on the US, how is anyone supposed to compete?
Kr LOL teams will never lose to foreigners guys let's just wait till the grand finals to see 2 asian teams compete for the trophy
MysterQ1 votesIs it best of 1/3/5? Best of 1 they might drop.
American teams have sponsors too.
AdanYEva1 votesIs it best of 1/3/5? Best of 1 they might drop.
American teams have sponsors too.
sorry but not at the level of korean teams, the KR teams get an unfair advantage, it is why KR teams ALWAYS win MSI/Worlds
MysterQ1 votesI don't think it is just their sponsorship.
AdanYEva1 votesI don't think it is just their sponsorship.
forgot to mention that bigger budgets means they can afford to keep their best players while acquiring newer talent, it's why TSM has the same or shitty hasbeen comps and SKT get's someone young and talented like Peanut, other teams cant afford to get new talent, im so sorry you are ignorant of this, you should do a little research man before thinking SKT is at the same level of funding/support than even TSM
MysterQ1 votesSo with a larger budget, who would TSM buy?
Or are you trying to say SKT needs a smaller budget? Because while budget may be a problem, you still have to answer who would TSM buy if they had a larger budget. Will they just poach from another region?
AdanYEva2 votesSo with a larger budget, who would TSM buy?
Or are you trying to say SKT needs a smaller budget? Because while budget may be a problem, you still have to answer who would TSM buy if they had a larger budget. Will they just poach from another region?
If you look at chinese eSports that's what they have been doing, china is the #2 team in the world and they buy off some korean players, LGD paid a lot of IMP and Marin. More money means you can get the best players currently and it does matter, it does affect team performance, look at NA team rosters, same bs full of old washed up pro players, wheres the talent?
MysterQ1 votesSo you are saying Chinese teams with Korean players are good. Korean teams with Korean players are good.
It sounds like it isn't just money that is the issue.
AdanYEva1 votesSo you are saying Chinese teams with Korean players are good. Korean teams with Korean players are good.
It sounds like it isn't just money that is the issue.
When you live in a country where the government is funding the eSports scene, more kids get into professional gaming, more funding = more reason to invest in being a pro. The other regions do NOT have this so theres not enough talent. KR breeds champions and has enough money to keep them, no other region can compete, nor will they ever, get ready for more years of SKT dominance.
AdanYEva2 votesSo with a larger budget, who would TSM buy?
Or are you trying to say SKT needs a smaller budget? Because while budget may be a problem, you still have to answer who would TSM buy if they had a larger budget. Will they just poach from another region?
Dont know why you'd downvote my post, it seems the truth get's you downvoted a lot these days what did you want me to post? that TSM is going to win MSI? lol
MrHaZeYo1 votesLol what? TSM have one of the best teams that they can field.
They could use their other foreign roster spot on Supp, or upgrade Sven but Hauntz, Bjerg, and DLift are some of the best talent available, why would they give them up?
Same thing with C9, Impact, Jensen (Our 2 non - NA) Sneaky, Smoothie are some of the best players in the scene. The problem is Koreans are simply better at the game, so getting to have 5 of them just gives them a advantage.
I mean honestly, if KR had to have at least 2 NA players on their roster, I bet they wouldn't win worlds this year lol.
AdanYEva1 votesLol what? TSM have one of the best teams that they can field.
They could use their other foreign roster spot on Supp, or upgrade Sven but Hauntz, Bjerg, and DLift are some of the best talent available, why would they give them up?
Same thing with C9, Impact, Jensen (Our 2 non - NA) Sneaky, Smoothie are some of the best players in the scene. The problem is Koreans are simply better at the game, so getting to have 5 of them just gives them a advantage.
I mean honestly, if KR had to have at least 2 NA players on their roster, I bet they wouldn't win worlds this year lol.
TSM has the best roster they can afford, compare it to SKT and SKT can get any player they want, TSM is still using washed up hasbeens except Bjerg, Bjerg is the jewel of TSM but it isnt enough talent to overcome a korean team, sorry the hard truth goes to my side, i did my research and Korean lol teams are funded by the government and the biggest phone companies, how is that fair to everyone else? how can any other region compete if only a few teams can pilfer off the best talent? TSM cant afford 1 million dollar players
MrHaZeYo1 votesWhat? There are different obstacles in the way than money, starting with the fact that teams can only have 2 non-NA players on their team. Most of the best talent resides in Korea so Korean teams don't have the same problem as NA.
NA can easily pay players more if they want, why do you think we have so many Non NA Players, why do you think those players want to be in NA? Because they make more money.
TSM - Sven (Although Bjeg is also a EU native, he's just grandfathered in) C9 - Jensen, Ray, and Impact P1 - Ryu and Arrow CLG - Huni Fox - Looper and Froggen NV - Ninja (cut), and Lira (Seraph is grandfathered in) TL - Piglet and Reignover Dig - Ssumday and Chaser (Keane is grandfathered in) IMT - Flame and Ollah
The problem isn't that we can't afford the talent, it's that the NA talent is just not as good to surround those high price Koreans to really make a run at a team full of Koreans. We can hold our own vs the other regions but with the best players coming from Korea it makes it awfully hard to beat them.
Hauntz, Sneaky, DLift, Smoothie, Ahpromoo, Dardoch are really the only top tier Na Players Hai, Metoes, Stixx, XSpeciall, Zuin, Pobleter, Altec are like a middle tier Contratz, Arakadin are rookies who should improve.
AdanYEva1 votesWhat? There are different obstacles in the way than money, starting with the fact that teams can only have 2 non-NA players on their team. Most of the best talent resides in Korea so Korean teams don't have the same problem as NA.
NA can easily pay players more if they want, why do you think we have so many Non NA Players, why do you think those players want to be in NA? Because they make more money.
TSM - Sven (Although Bjeg is also a EU native, he's just grandfathered in) C9 - Jensen, Ray, and Impact P1 - Ryu and Arrow CLG - Huni Fox - Looper and Froggen NV - Ninja (cut), and Lira (Seraph is grandfathered in) TL - Piglet and Reignover Dig - Ssumday and Chaser (Keane is grandfathered in) IMT - Flame and Ollah
The problem isn't that we can't afford the talent, it's that the NA talent is just not as good to surround those high price Koreans to really make a run at a team full of Koreans. We can hold our own vs the other regions but with the best players coming from Korea it makes it awfully hard to beat them.
Hauntz, Sneaky, DLift, Smoothie, Ahpromoo, Dardoch are really the only top tier Na Players Hai, Metoes, Stixx, XSpeciall, Zuin, Pobleter, Altec are like a middle tier Contratz, Arakadin are rookies who should improve.
unfortunately every other region than NA and KR can afford the best talent :/, money matters here. youtube reginald talking about running an esports team and youtube organized korean teams, it's just on another level man, youtube how TSM was being run when dyrus was in his prime
GeminiRune1 votesThese are terrible reasons not to watch. You watch if you like the competition. If you can't stand SKT winning then that's just you. Plus it's the first game. Would you have made this post before G2 was objectively outplayed or not?
AdanYEva2 votesThese are terrible reasons not to watch. You watch if you like the competition. If you can't stand SKT winning then that's just you. Plus it's the first game. Would you have made this post before G2 was objectively outplayed or not?
I can stand SKT winning, what i cannot stand is the lack of integrity of this eSport because SKT is given an unfair advantage being supported/funded by top telephone companies and government
Why downvote my post? just because the truth pissed you off? if you are not retarded you would know only KR teams make it to top 4 and one will win MSI
GeminiRune2 votesIn no eSport will you find professionals outright say "Welcome to a tournament where nobody else has a chance due to whatever finances carry them." How do unrelated finances lead to a group of individuals and their success? I downvoted you because you give no decent reason not to watch, but instead bring up an unrelated topic that doesn't even apply to most of the Korean teams in the first place. Do some further research and prove me wrong but it's still going to be irrelevant.
Fine Geez2 votesI up voted him because it's a legit concern. As with all sports. Look at the New York Yankees, how many world series have they won? It's because they have all this money to bring in new talent. I think esports is losing a lot of it's soul by not regulating the amount of money allowed to throw at any given team.
GeminiRune1 votesName 3 eSports games that are losing their value from the amount of invested money into their teams/sponsors...
Warlord Scrap1 votesActually i disagree mlb and nhl both have salary caps to prevent exactly what you said proffessionals dont. While i disagree with the ops not worth watching stance alot of sports have salary caps.
Fine Geez1 votesSo, do you agree that SKT needs to be capped on how much they can spend on their teams?
AdanYEva1 votesActually i disagree mlb and nhl both have salary caps to prevent exactly what you said proffessionals dont. While i disagree with the ops not worth watching stance alot of sports have salary caps.
We're talking about LOL here and it does NOT have a salary cap, SKT players make more than other regions, SKT affords better players than other regions can, so SKT WILL ALLWAYS WIN, how is this fair?
AdanYEva1 votesActually i disagree mlb and nhl both have salary caps to prevent exactly what you said proffessionals dont. While i disagree with the ops not worth watching stance alot of sports have salary caps.
what are you talking about? explain
Warlord Scrap2 votesA salary cap is when the sports governing body states no player can make over a set amount of money. No single mlb player can make more than what the salary cap is. The is the sports way of trying to beat monopolies that always had the best players in the past because it became a vicious cycle of they win cause they have the best players. Then they can hire the best players because they win. And no team would be able to compete.
AdanYEva2 votesA salary cap is when the sports governing body states no player can make over a set amount of money. No single mlb player can make more than what the salary cap is. The is the sports way of trying to beat monopolies that always had the best players in the past because it became a vicious cycle of they win cause they have the best players. Then they can hire the best players because they win. And no team would be able to compete.
Now you are getting it, unfortunately theres a lot of kids that dont understand how monopolies work, and it's unfair
Warlord Scrap1 votesI got it and why there salary caps from the beggining. I dont believe that that means there no merit or enjoyment to be had from watching it and thats were i disagree with you. But i would be fine with riot enforcing a salary cap.
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesMLB has no salary cap
Warlord Scrap1 votesno they call it a luxury tax it works the same way. But every major american sport has salary taxes
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesBut, say, the Yankees, have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher payroll than the Rays. Basketball- it could easily be argued that Cleveland and Golden State have monopolies on that sport too. Super good teams happen. SKT is just a super good team. And as long as Korean culture embraces gaming like it does, they'll always be ahead of other regions.
AdanYEva1 votesBut, say, the Yankees, have a SIGNIFICANTLY higher payroll than the Rays. Basketball- it could easily be argued that Cleveland and Golden State have monopolies on that sport too. Super good teams happen. SKT is just a super good team. And as long as Korean culture embraces gaming like it does, they'll always be ahead of other regions.
But cleveland and golden state dont have SIGNIFICANTLY more money than other teams, i would say that they have great players and luck, my post is about KR holding an unfair monopoly and it's not right for eSports
Warlord Scrap1 votesits not the end all be all fix and theres always gonna be a top team/ top player but it helps a little. the yankees are one of the best arguments why salary caps are need because most of the world series were either consecutive or they had an off year they didnt win. And i know next to nothing about baseball never got into it to even begin to argue that.
But look at the difference between pros and college. College has no spending cap (granted players are getting "paid" to play) but theres a much wider skill diversity in the top colleges and the other tiers.
AdanYEva1 votesIn no eSport will you find professionals outright say "Welcome to a tournament where nobody else has a chance due to whatever finances carry them." How do unrelated finances lead to a group of individuals and their success? I downvoted you because you give no decent reason not to watch, but instead bring up an unrelated topic that doesn't even apply to most of the Korean teams in the first place. Do some further research and prove me wrong but it's still going to be irrelevant.
LOL teams dont run on air, LOL teams have costs to maintain them, because SKT get's extra money from the government and phone companies they can afford to buy better players for their rosters, meanwhile no other region can afford what SKT can, that's NOT fair, why do you think SKT always wins MSI/worlds? because their players are the best, why? because they can afford to keep them
GeminiRune1 votesSo all of this is the point not to watch MSI? One team out of 13 that has a lot of support/funding is the reason to not have even bothered investing viewership for the last week and a half of this event? While you do make an in-depth point, I make one too. Get real. Look back at what you decided as your title and description and think about why you're overreacting now of all times because that's only making your viewing experience worse.
AdanYEva1 votesSo all of this is the point not to watch MSI? One team out of 13 that has a lot of support/funding is the reason to not have even bothered investing viewership for the last week and a half of this event? While you do make an in-depth point, I make one too. Get real. Look back at what you decided as your title and description and think about why you're overreacting now of all times because that's only making your viewing experience worse.
I have a good reason why you shouldnt watch another event with SKT raping everyone, theres people that agree with me on this i am their voice, i represent those people, if you want to watch another SKT rape that's on you i dont care but dont downvote just because you dont agree with me
GeminiRune1 votes2015 they didn't win the whole event 2016 they didn't run over everyone 2017 it's only been one game
What's your point? I don't agree with you because you made this more than it needed to be. And no matter what I say and my reason to watch, you won't agree with me. So we're at an impasse. You can carry your agreeing party whatever that may be because I've made my point and I have no further reason to debate. I have games to enjoy watching.
AdanYEva1 votes2015 they didn't win the whole event 2016 they didn't run over everyone 2017 it's only been one game
What's your point? I don't agree with you because you made this more than it needed to be. And no matter what I say and my reason to watch, you won't agree with me. So we're at an impasse. You can carry your agreeing party whatever that may be because I've made my point and I have no further reason to debate. I have games to enjoy watching.
SKT has won 3 worlds, 2 in a row. How can a team do this? it's insane, o wait, KR teams get funded by phone companies and government, ah now i see.
GeminiRune1 votesI'm sorry...we're talking about MSI, as your post is rightfully titled with! When did this become an organization discussion. Again, get real.
AdanYEva1 votesI'm sorry...we're talking about MSI, as your post is rightfully titled with! When did this become an organization discussion. Again, get real.
im not here to do your parents job in educating you, if you dont get it yet that's your problem but im correct and i have people that agree with me.
GeminiRune1 votesAll about 2 people...have fun with your discussion.
AdanYEva1 votesAll about 2 people...have fun with your discussion.
you didnt count the people who didnt comment, yet again you fail
GeminiRune1 votesYou don't know that. Just like you don't know if SKT will completely overrun the entire MSI event
GeminiRune1 votesSorry, but you lost that when you made this entire post and then decided to ban people together to see your point as valid. Desperate? Annoyed? Not my problem. You don't have to watch MSI if all of this irks you. End of story
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesThe Buffalo Bills went to 4 consecutive Superbowls. Sometimes good teams go on runs. No one here is bringing up the exhaustive Korean practice schedule, their unrivaled dedication to the game, and the overall culture of professional gaming in Korea. It has very little to do with money. SKT would beatand NA all star team.
AdanYEva1 votesThe Buffalo Bills went to 4 consecutive Superbowls. Sometimes good teams go on runs. No one here is bringing up the exhaustive Korean practice schedule, their unrivaled dedication to the game, and the overall culture of professional gaming in Korea. It has very little to do with money. SKT would beatand NA all star team.
Are you sure money has nothing to do with it? KR has an eSports scene becaue their own government supports it, when has verizon/at&t or even the government funded eSports in the US? NEVER, same goes with everyone else except KR so that explains why more kids are interested in pro gaming as a CAREER, SKT among other kR teams hold the eSports monopoly and if you cant realize the truth i feel sorry for you and that's your problem
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesBut you're completely disregarding the cultural aspect. They are a culture that embraces pro gamers like pop stars. You can't just ignore that aspect of the conversation. The Yankees haven't won a World Series in almost 10 years, and they buy all the top talent. Buying top talent doesn't guarentee success.
AdanYEva1 votesBut you're completely disregarding the cultural aspect. They are a culture that embraces pro gamers like pop stars. You can't just ignore that aspect of the conversation. The Yankees haven't won a World Series in almost 10 years, and they buy all the top talent. Buying top talent doesn't guarentee success.
the government supports KR eSPorts, nuff said right there
FiddlesOnTheRoof1 votesAt the same time, it's not those kid's fault. Other regions can feel free to garner more support for their teams.
AdanYEva1 votesAt the same time, it's not those kid's fault. Other regions can feel free to garner more support for their teams.
few... and if those teams can afford those players, it's so expensive to run an eSports team ask Reginald, go youtube reginald talking about how hard it is to run an esports team, then check SKT's team, it's basically a business organization and super team managed by experts/professionals because of all the funding KR teams get, sorry but it's a sad truth :/
Fine Geez2 votesThese are terrible reasons not to watch. You watch if you like the competition. If you can't stand SKT winning then that's just you. Plus it's the first game. Would you have made this post before G2 was objectively outplayed or not?
The problem is not so much the competition itself, it's just the fact that there IS NO competition. It's the same crap every year. Some over funded Korean team with no life wins. Not only that, but the announcers are intolerable when it comes to their giddy as a school girl fandom over SKT. I wonder if there should be a hard cap on the amount of funding is allowed to be used for any given team.
AdanYEva2 votes[{quoted}](name=Fine Geez,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=yPie2otR,comment-id=00010001,timestamp=2017-05-10T19:37:20.466+0000)
The problem is not so much the competition itself, it's just the fact that there IS NO competition. It's the same crap every year. Some over funded Korean team with no life wins. Not only that, but the announcers are intolerable when it comes to their giddy as a school girl fandom over SKT. I wonder if there should be a hard cap on the amount of funding is allowed to be used for any given team.
This, how can any fucking region compete when some teams have millions of dollars to buy off the best fucking players in the planet and keep their own talent? if TSM had someone great, china or korea can just buy them off, glad to know theres other people like me that know the hard truth, upvote my post please it does not deserve negative points and thanks!