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Where have i tried to defend NA at all lol? Do you even English? Your saying that KR isn't the best region

AHAHAHAHAH Where? Exactly? I'm saying that KR is far better than Western regions 8which, you know includes EU), but are really wosre than the peaks reached in the past in Lol pro plays

If there is anyone that do not know English is you there

In KR they are playing well in comparison with West, not in comparison with the peak levels they reached

It is fun how you got fired up after a comment that was underlining NA troubles and needed to shittalk Eu when i'm saying Eu is not playing good this moment, but if anything I see more room to grow for Eu teams going ahead in the season...but i'm clingin on na thory, right?

LMFAO, you are the kind of salty NA fanboy that got ridiculed even more when NA shit the bed in international competition, because rather than debate feel the need to shittalk the other regions

Lol EU still clinging to NA cause that's all you have.

I literally only told you that KR is still the best region in the world and playing better than anybody. Then you started deflecting talking about how much more room EU has for improvement compared to NA.

It doesn't matter that EU will be better than NA, or how much they will improve. On EU's best day its still an EZ 3-0 for KR because the region is trash lol.

But go ahead, keep bringing up NA becasue you're a salty EU fan that cant stand to hear how bad your region is compared to KR. Watching EU fans with your excuses and deflections never gets old, I'm loving this.

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I literally only told you that KR is still the best region in the world and playing better than anybody.

Which nobody has disagreed on?

Then you started deflecting talking about how much more room EU has for improvement compared to NA.

Because I answered to a post that was talking about NA, and then you started to bring out other regions (I started talking abut Eu and KR too after that you started mentioning Tigers

It doesn't matter that EU will be better than NA, or how much they will improve. On EU's best day its still an EZ 3-0 for KR because the region is trash lol.

Which is why you are showing as fanboyish as I was simply commenting on NA without the intention of bashing it while you felt the need to bash Eu?

But go ahead, keep bringing up NA becasue you're a salty EU fan that cant stand to hear how bad your region is compared to KR. Watching EU fans with your excuses and deflections never gets old, I'm loving this.

Except that again it was you to bring out the other regions?

Yeah, go ahead shittalking Eu because you just can't stand someone simply commenting on Na and KR

No you made a meme about how all of NA that looks bad. I just replied that it isn't just NA, everyone outside of KR looks bad. Then you became a salty EU fanboy trying to say that KR isn't actually that good then went off on some random EU>NA rant.

Like I said KR is still the standard and everyone else isn't on that level. So talk about EU's "room for improvement." Talk about how they are better than NA. And talk about how KR isn't really playing that well, and at the end of the year when everyone else is calling another KR team(Tigers) world champions I'll look back on this and laugh.

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No you made a meme about how all of NA that looks bad.

It wasn't a meme. Na doesn't look good, and the worse thing is not they are not good now, but they don't seem to have big margin of improvements The level teams are playing right now is not super relevant, imho, because we are in a situation where teams aren't really developping their play, but they are all playing the same meta, and the teams who are playing it better are coming out on top, but this means little going forward in the season, because you can't extract much from that. If patch 6.4 or 6.5 change the meta, you have suddenly all the situation turned upside down because right now there isn't a team that is imposing their own style of play, and this includes Koreans as well

The only thing you can extract from the actual games when looking ahead of the season are sensations of how team dynamics and synergy among teams are going, and how much margin of improvements teams have upon things they are not doing well right now but should be kinda easy to fix

You can clearly see the teams for which dynamics are working like th best koreans team with tigers ahead of them all, IMT, NRG, h2k, G2, and teams that aren't performing super well, but can look ahead with some optimist because there are things they could pretty much fix If I look at Na teams, independetly from how they are playing and what is their actual level in the current meta, you can see that for some teams dynamics are just not there like TSM or C9 or teams that are capped by lack of talent like CLG...the future doesn't seem bright for most of them (barring exceptions) if they don't quickly turn things around, while for Eu you can see less of these difficult to fix problems, even though right now is not more than slighlty ahead NA

Ok my original post said NA looks bad outside of Immortals. Your basically just agreeing with that.

"If patch 6.4 or 6.5 change the meta, you have suddenly all the situation turned upside down because right now there isn't a team that is imposing their own style of play, and this includes Koreans as well"

This I don't agree with. The tigers had a reputation for most of last year as being passive early and playing well from behind. Now they have done a complete 180 and are playing aggressive in the early and keeping that momentum as the game move on in a meta where everyone else is so afraid of the death timers to commit to anything.

Immortals is doing something similar where they are not afraid to play aggressive in a meta where everyone else want to play passive, but I don't know how much of that success is just playing in NA.

Tigers's best skill was the teamwork and rotations, which is something that is heavily empathized on the meta all teams are playing given how the snowball effect upon taking towers and getting a good push is super strong Given that SKT also had roster changes and is still finding their rhytm theirselves, it seems natural to me that they are easily ahead of their competition, still, I am still wary from looking at them as true dominators because it seems to me that it is the other teams that are very far from finding their form and they are looking so dominant because of that, more than because they are playing at a level close to S4 Samsung teams or S5 SKT

IMT are doing the same thing. They look super good right now, but the reason why they look so dominant is more because the other teams are doing really abd rather than their good play

Don't misunderstand me, Tigers and IMT are playing really really well...But I would wait for some team to actually come out with soemthing different before crown them as the king of their region, because I frankly don't believe we'll have 1 meta for the entire season. The problem is, if you don't develop good team dynamics or your players aren't just good enough you can't develop these unique style of play that can make the success of a team

"Tigers's best skill was the teamwork and rotations"

It wasn't that's why they tanked in the cinderhulk meta. They had solid laners and the ability to fight well with a gold deficit. Monte himself said they looked completely different at worlds when they were getting early game leads through map movements.

In the tigers case they might avoid what happened to them last year when they faltered because of an unfavorable meta with their change at jungle. Since Hojin really didn't do well with tanks early in the season.

Meta shifts usually aren't enough to just completely ruin a top tier team. SKT's head coach said that EU and CN had adapted better to the juggernaut meta than KR had going into worlds, could you really tell? I mean most of the top level teams in the past remained so through out, like the old SKT, SSW, SSB etc. I just don't think these teams are benefiting form the meta, but we'll see.

Tigers is benefitting from the meta because it fits their play style centered around map movements and early game lead snowballing into wins

Meta can and will change the balance between teams

Tigers are just good overall as they were consistently top 3 in korea last seaosn and they got even better with the jungle swap, but the reason why they seems so good is because they are the one that are interpreting the meta the best, and there is literaly no variation of this meta brought by any team in the major regions so far. When some alternative meta will surpace to challenge the actual one, or the general meta change we'll see how they'll react