Bjergsen's Birthday
To Bjergsen,
Happy Bjersday
Love, Alex Ich
To Bjergsen,
Happy Bjersday
Love, Alex Ich
His birthday present was to completely demolish his lane.
Bjergsen showed perfect mechanical skill today. His Ahri was frightening. His timing and accuracy with his Charms leading into his burst today was so amazing. Once he started rolling the enemy team never stood a chance.
In the TSM Legends reality show TSM was joking that Faker is a Demon God from Hell. But I think Bjergsen is hitting some kind of technical plateau right now and also is becoming a Demon God from Hell.
I can't wait to see TSM at World's this year. I want to see whether they can win against Korean and Chinese teams. I know they will destroy the European teams.
Bjergsen right now is operating on a level that is above all other players in the LCS. His accuracy in team fights with skill shots and timing when to go in is uncanny.
I suspect that Ahri will be a must ban against Bjergsen in the rest of the 2015 LCS season.
Honestly I don't think any NA team will do well at worlds, the competition is quite low. All NA right now is TSM and CLG smasing people in the laning phase and winning from there. Unless the competition highers, NA will not do well.
Then both TSM and CLG lose (to TL and C9 respectively) and you just know that NA/EU are gonna be nuked in worlds.
Honestly I don't think any NA team will do well at worlds, the competition is quite low. All NA right now is TSM and CLG smasing people in the laning phase and winning from there. Unless the competition highers, NA will not do well.
Only teams that pose a threat to NA/EU is Koreans.... the Chinese teams are far too aggressive for their own good and will just feed NA. IF you actually watch their matches: The Chinese are not as nearly as good as they may appear. Are they aggressive? Yes. Can they execute high skilled combo's attacks reliably? Generally not. Also they don't have much in the way of teamfights (overlapping combat) either... mostly a combination of solo plays that == a team fight.
OMG, EDG, LGD (Maybe Team Snake, SHRC and IG) will all do pretty well vs EU/NA.
I think SHRC Will do remarkably well once they have Namei to play with. They have a pretty average sub right now.
Regardless the talent in the NA/EU screen is scarcely in the realm of a High Tier CN/KR team.
OMG, EDG, LGD (Maybe Team Snake, SHRC and IG) will all do pretty well vs EU/NA.
I think SHRC Will do remarkably well once they have Namei to play with. They have a pretty average sub right now.
Regardless the talent in the NA/EU screen is scarcely in the realm of a High Tier CN/KR team.
The idea that teams in China do well (even in Korea) is an illusion
Remember Asia has best of 2; 3 series matches. Therefore they can afford to play hyper aggressive knowing that they can always come back and play again next match whereas in NA/EU winner takes all.
Mainland Chinese teams suck hand in hand and are not going anywhere. It is like watching a Bronze league players play each other and think one side is better then everyone else. The Koreans are of course fair game... but only top tier teams pose major challenge to others.
In summary... Chinese esp mainland china, look to be far better then what they are. Best way to study this is to compare champion vs champion use.
A few examples:
NA TSM's Wildturtle's
play is far better then the Asians in general. Being able to reliably make use of the ultimate seperates the "noobs" from the "heroes".
use... almost completely invented in NA.. is again far better in NA then Asia.
Alas don't be fooled by the Asians... objects in the mirror are closer then they appear....
You fail to see that NA/EU are limiting themselves in actual Worlds Experience. Korea does a Best of 3. China plays 2 game matches. All of this results in MORE COMPETITIVE PLAYTIME. These two competitive styles offer DOUBLE or sometimes TRIPLE the games. Also, since they are back to back, they offer adaption to play-styles. Korean goes further to have multiple playoffs through their season.
1 Game Matches (played in EU/NA) lack this adaption and overall prevent NA/EU teams from growing from BEST of 3 and BEST of 5 matches that WORLDS is all about. (Group Stages are the only thing LCS format help in. After that then nothing. You cannot scrim for this, you can practice this very well.)
Another thing, use of individual champions aside (as this is a team game) and some regional metas favor some champions over others. The chinese and korean meta play is ridiculously better than EU/NA. You have EDG that can play Reactive Team Comps or Proactive Team Comps extremely well. GE Tigers are the same. While in the West, you have SK which can play a pretty good Proactive (engage comp) but flounder Reactive (poke, split push, late game comps) same could be said for TSM. Out of all of the Western teams CLG is the only one that has some semblance of diversity in their comps but they do not play each of these styles with the same proficiency as CN/KR.
I hope for the best for NA/EU teams in Worlds, but the fact of the matter is they are only slowly catching up with those asians (as you put it).
The comparisions are apples and oranges. More competition doesn't necessarily make for better teams. And you are comparing aggressive vs defensive playstyles. IT is impossible to draw a defined logical conclusion that "asia is 124329478 times better" simply due to these factors.
The Asian playstyle works in Asia. It doesn't mean it works outside of Asia. In worlds; teams are inherently more risk adverse, which for hyper-aggressive league teams such as China, would therefore lack defensive experience that western teams have in this regard.
In the end... The only way to settle these debates is to have these teams play each other (which will happen later this year). The mere presence of the diversity of team comps doesn't matter if the comps aren't relevant in the end.
As much as I love theory-crafting all this it is as you say: "The only way to settle these debates is to have these teams play each other"
It still believe that NA/EU will get smashed much as they have the last two Worlds. But we can always hope for the best.
If Chinese teams are no threat, then why are they always placing higher than any NA/EU teams in pretty much any tournamanet they're in? Just because they're aggressive doesn't mean it isn't calculated. They play aggressive and do it well, they are the only region that can have a chance at winning worlds, if you don't believe this, you are simply narrow minded. Most chinese teams are VERY good at teamfighting, you have very bad analyzing if you really think Chinese teams are not a threat to NA/EU.
If Chinese teams are no threat, then why are they always placing higher than any NA/EU teams in pretty much any tournamanet they're in? Just because they're aggressive doesn't mean it isn't calculated. They play aggressive and do it well, they are the only region that can have a chance at winning worlds, if you don't believe this, you are simply narrow minded. Most chinese teams are VERY good at teamfighting, you have very bad analyzing if you really think Chinese teams are not a threat to NA/EU.
http://na.lolesports.com/worlds/2014/worlds-2014/standings
This observation is without merit... because NA teams never vs China in the knockout stage in 2014 worlds. TSM and C9 got defeated by the 2 Samsung teams before any matchup could be had.
A good example of this is Group B with TSM... that division had 2 Asian teams including former world champions TPA... yet TSM was able to take second place with 4/2 WL. That matchup by TSM included 2/0 vs TPA and 1/1 vs SHRK.
Therefore TSM did prove they can beat Chinese teams in worlds.
SHR was not a number 1 seed from China and not to mention they were one dimensional and did you not see the game before that where they got completely smashed? Yes they can take games off them, Alliance, Cloud 9, and Fnatic took games off Korean teams, but these are in best of 1's and the games are not back to back so they have time to plan the next game, in best of 5's NA/EU wouldn't stand a chance. OMG 3-0'd NJW, no western team would've been able to do that. If you're going by worlds, only NA teams took games of Chinese teams, no EU team took one.
So, when you say western teams are not threatened by Chinese teams you are narrowing it down to NA vs CN. Not all western teams are NA (as definded by regions EU/NA = Western, CN/KR/SEA = Eastern), but I will continue your conversation directing it specifically to NA vs CN:
#Worlds-2013 -Group Stage TSM: 2:0 LOSS to OMG (Did not Qualify for Bracket Stage) C9: Auto placed in Quarterfinals LOSS to Fnatic Vulcan: No Chinese Teams in that group > Did not qualify for Brackets
#AllStars-2014 -Group Stage C9 3-1 OMG 2-2
Granted C9 did awesomely in the Group stage: BEST OF 1 (No Adaption No Extended Experience) In the Semi-Finals- C9 vs OMG - 2:0 OMG. In this example. NA failed to prove they could do better in Best of 3 or higher competition which is once again what worlds is about. Group stages are fun an all but BEST of 1 shows NOTHING.
I was going to use IEM Championship here but, as C9 Qualified for Brackets then lost to Fnatic it does not contribute to the discussion.
#Worlds-2014 -Group Stage TSM: 1:1 in Group B vs SHRC LMQ (Yes they were an NA LCS quality Team) 1:1 in Group C vs OMG C9: Group D did not have a Chinese team.
--Bracket Stage: TSM and C9 both 3:1 loss to SSW/SSB OMG 3:0 NJWS (who C9 went 1:1 with)
In all of these examples, NA (c9 and TSM) only perform "decently" in Group Stage and this is a relatively new occurrence.
As I have mentioned previously, I hope NA/EU teams can become more competitive on the International Stage, but their performance comparatively is lower than HIGH TIER Chinese and Korean teams (with Koreans still above Chinese in most statistics).
As a side note, if you are going to fanboy over TSM and argue that NA > CN. Please be able to provide facts not hearsay or opinion delivered as facts. It is misleading.
In all of these examples, NA (c9 and TSM) only perform "decently" in Group Stage and this is a relatively new occurrence.
As a side note, if you are going to fanboy over TSM and argue that NA > CN. Please be able to provide facts not hearsay or opinion delivered as facts. It is misleading.
Recent performance is only relevant performance given this game is continuously changing. Alas the fact cannot be denied that TSM/C9 still in WOrlds 2014, made it to the knockout rounds, and were only knocked out by Korean teams.
BTW All-Starts is irrelevant... not unlike the All STar games in other leagues; teams are not under pressure to win like they are in LCS World Championship. If they win its good for them but they are not under the same and relevant pressure. 2013 Season in 2015 is completely irrelevant at this point as too many changes to game/meta have been made.
The only "fanboyism" here is your persistence that somehow Asia is undefeatable when clearly they are not alas...
Indeed it is so...
All-Stars while irrelevant to any specific team standings still pits the "BEST" (always seems like a popularity contest) a region has to offer against other regions. You cannot say that NA losing to EU or CN or KR in this format completely voids any evidence in this debate. All teams, have the same advantages and disadvantages.
The only recent performance we can take from NA/EU vs Eastern Teams is 2014 Worlds. Each Chinese team that faced against NA teams (Group Stage) while performing marginally better than the previous year, was still rather lackluster. Best of Ones really do not show us much of what can be done. And NA teams TSM/C9 did amazing 3:1 is the best any NA team has done against Koreans previously.
There is no fanboyism from any comment I have included, as I repeatedly reiterate, I hope that NA/EU can do better this year and they are getting better though I still do not believe they will fare very well internationally (We may see differently come IEM Katowice).
The fanboy ranting you have displayed for TSM multiple times on this thread contradicts most of what you have to say, but I will leave that off since it is irrelevant.
No NA team will do good for the remainder of this game lol. NA does not have the competitive fire that others have. We have far too many trolls going 0/15/0 and it being defended by the community as "a bad game". Just saying. It's the same reason the US sucks as soccer lol.
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To Bjergsen,
Happy Bjersday
Love, Alex Ich
Well... apparently he partied a bit too hard because he got /noobstomped the next match vs Team Liquid.
That
performace... was well... meh............