What happened to NA???

Darkest Laugh·Oct 11, 2015·1 votes·948 views

0 - 10 this week? Did the payments go through or what?

And before you go off on how NA sucks or whatever, you can't deny that they were playing differently. Doublift taking those 2 free tower shots to give first blood to the enemy Darius? What pro player does that???

I watched a minute of the C9 vs FNC game, and in that minute their jungler gave up FB over a ward, and he didn't try to escape until he was at like half health, and then I see the rest of the team over extend and face check bushes. Seriously, what the hell happened? These are not the same teams we've seen at all this year.

I'm convinced they were paid to throw the games because nothing else makes sense of how they played.

12 Comments

Gaxx DOct 11, 20154 votes

Oh yes, it's impossible for these teams to suck. It's impossible, that teams like Fnatic didn't play at their best last week and lost only because of dumb throws. NA teams were obviously paid to throw games, they weren't outplayed by better teams. Go hide somewhere and don't come back.

Darkest LaughOct 12, 20151 votes

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Oh yes, it's impossible for these teams to suck. It's impossible, that teams like Fnatic didn't play at their best last week and lost only because of dumb throws. NA teams were obviously paid to throw games, they weren't outplayed by better teams. Go hide somewhere and don't come back.

I think you're missing my point. It's not THAT they lost, it's how they lost. They really didn't look like the same teams at all. They were playing like bronzies. Last week they actually looked professional. This week, I don't even know.

It would be like in a game of football where one team never catches the passes just swats them out of the air, and then everyone says the other team just did better. Like no one else thinks something seemed strange? Really???

FacyOct 12, 20154 votes

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I think you're missing my point. It's not THAT they lost, it's how they lost. They really didn't look like the same teams at all. They were playing like bronzies. Last week they actually looked professional. This week, I don't even know.

It would be like in a game of football where one team never catches the passes just swats them out of the air, and then everyone says the other team just did better. Like no one else thinks something seemed strange? Really???

No the thing that looked strange was that they did decent in week 1, week 2 was the reality, C9 being 1 trick ponies which works in NA LCS but not at worlds. TSM played like they always played. C9 probably got underestimated week 1 and their wins didnt look convincingly at all.... once week 2 started we saw that they rly only have 1 strategy and they still tried to win with it.... just laughable week coaching if thats all they had.

Same goes to CLG, 1 strategy this entire tournament just not gonna work on worlds stage. (the loss vs pain was just sandbagging and shouldnt even considerd in it cuz obviously trolling since they were out already)

On a side not, NA teams couldnt handle Kennen at all.

Darkest LaughOct 15, 20151 votes

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No the thing that looked strange was that they did decent in week 1, week 2 was the reality, C9 being 1 trick ponies which works in NA LCS but not at worlds. TSM played like they always played. C9 probably got underestimated week 1 and their wins didnt look convincingly at all.... once week 2 started we saw that they rly only have 1 strategy and they still tried to win with it.... just laughable week coaching if thats all they had.

Same goes to CLG, 1 strategy this entire tournament just not gonna work on worlds stage. (the loss vs pain was just sandbagging and shouldnt even considerd in it cuz obviously trolling since they were out already)

On a side not, NA teams couldnt handle Kennen at all.

Again, you miss my point. Their "strategies" week 2 were to face check brush, not back away from threats, and take free tower shots. If their rotations got beat, their team comps weren't as good, I'd admit that, but that's not what happened. Their enemies just had to walk at them. That's not at all what happened week 1. It looked like they were throwing. I want an explaination for that.

The Bíg TicketOct 11, 20153 votes

Their strategies simply got figured out, both C9 and CLoud 9 used that fastpush bot then rotate mid and siege strategy with Tristana and Azir/Veigar...this caught alot of teams by surprise and they couldn't figure out how to deal with it immediately, once Koo and FNC exposed CLG and Cloud9 it was over for them. Still props to them t hough, especially C9 executed very well in Week 1 and exceeded all expecatations.

xJLx MCHammerOct 11, 20152 votes

Honestly CLG really did collapse. They are so emotional that once they lose one game they tend to have this downwards spiral of defeat and only stops after they find themselves again TSM had a tough group. Most of their defeat is mid and late game shot calling. They follow a good script early game and have leads in nearly all their games. It seems bjerg just isn't the shot caller. I think with a new top laner they can get help on shot calling C9, I'm not sure. They had that one strategy that CLG also copied but once the weaknesses got exposed they also seemed to have lost. But they aren't emotional so most of their games were still close

I think west door from ahq said it best. Westerns teams can only skrim each other, they can only skrim with eastern regions on big events.

Darkest LaughOct 12, 20151 votes

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Honestly CLG really did collapse. They are so emotional that once they lose one game they tend to have this downwards spiral of defeat and only stops after they find themselves again TSM had a tough group. Most of their defeat is mid and late game shot calling. They follow a good script early game and have leads in nearly all their games. It seems bjerg just isn't the shot caller. I think with a new top laner they can get help on shot calling C9, I'm not sure. They had that one strategy that CLG also copied but once the weaknesses got exposed they also seemed to have lost. But they aren't emotional so most of their games were still close

I think west door from ahq said it best. Westerns teams can only skrim each other, they can only skrim with eastern regions on big events.

Thank you for being the only one giving a rational and logical argument. I could see CLG going on tilt and just pretty much giving up. That might explain the way they played.

PoisonedTeaOct 12, 20152 votes

Both NA Top teams started to suck. C9 was terrible (other then sneaky of course). And TSM fell in a big way after MSI.

What did you expect the outcome to be.

CLG Winning NA LCS was only party cause of their skill but they are not the Best team in NA.

LintheOct 12, 20151 votes

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Both NA Top teams started to suck. C9 was terrible (other then sneaky of course). And TSM fell in a big way after MSI.

For c9, I thought Incarnation was fine. Lemon was up and down. Balls just is NOT a top tier top laner. And Hai is a great shot caller but NOT a great jungler. I still think c9 over-performed despite the Sunday collapse.

CLG's bot AND top lanes let them down the entire tournament. Can't win with that.

TSM needs to "blow it up and start over". Turtle is just "a guy". Lustboy clearly isn't working despite some talent; maybe it's a communication issue? And Santorin was MIA the entire tournament- a disturbingly consistent trend for him lately.

GahahaOct 11, 20151 votes

I think after first week all the teams did some analyzing and found a strategy to wreck NA's play.

KaitriOct 11, 20151 votes

well i watched all the games but i was half asleep when clg played so cant help you there. c9 played the same comp like all 6 games. teams catch up they arent stupid you cant do this all the time look at origens! and tsm just still have their communication problems.

maybe na should focus on improving their own players not buy more koreans and eu players and bench their own ppl.

YCitizenSnipsYOct 11, 20151 votes

CLG seemed like they were playing like they had already won groups and advanced. Troll picking blitz into KOO for example just made them seem like they really didn't highly of their competition, after that beat down they never recovered.

C9 didn't use enough diversity in a tournament that is basically seen a majority of its matches decided at the pick ban phase. I believe they only played a total of 13 champions across all 5 players. They also looked like they got too comfortable with one more win advances and generally played worse than they had in the first week.

TSM did about what was expected, I don't know why their team just crumbled like that since it's the same lineup that won spring convincingly, They almost looked like they went into every game expecting to loose and played accordingly .