Just wanted to voice that out there. This is C9 the team that has been dominant in NA. They had bad regular season, but the C9 that showed up to the gauntlet is the 1st-2nd place team they've always been. TL lost to THAT team, not someone comparable to NME or T8.
GA Lynx2 votesDon't mind me, just here to collect from this salt mine.
JimmyNtheKudos2 votesI'm not salty it just gets annoying to here people bashing a team for loosing to a "7th place team" when that's not really the reality here.
Guyy Fieri2 votesUpvote for the TL support!!
Raiyza2 votesIts not that they lost to "a" 7th place team, its that they lost to "The" 7th place team. C9 had a very bad season, no doubt. But then, so did T8, TDK, and Enemy Esports. Some of us don't think its fair to TL. TL had a very good season. They deserve that last seed in the worlds. They were right behind TSM. However, this gauntlet round of games basically says "Fuck the season, lets have the next top 4 teams battle it out." C9 was basically given a pardon, and now they go to worlds.
I'm not against C9. They are NA. I am NA. I don't like Hai, I think he's an arrogant prick, same with Incarn, but you know what? They are an NA Team. That's awesome that they are going to represent us with Tsm and Clg. But, I fully believe that liquid deserved that spot. That's my opinion.
JimmyNtheKudos2 votesI think most people here seem to be missing my point. I'm seriously not trying to argue who should go to worlds. I'm only trying to give some credit to TL back because a lot of people are saying that they shouldn't have lost to the 7th place team being the #1 team. Yes if you put it in a literal sense they lost to a 7th place team, but that's not the reality. C9 is a dominant veteran team in NA, that finished 7th only because of bad split/roster changes.
My personal opinion on TL vs C9 and who should go to worlds is: if TL can't beat TSM and C9 in BO5 then no matter how well they do in the regular season they don't deserve to go to worlds. The competition is too rough right now. Other regions are stepping up it's not just China and Korea anymore.
Raiyza1 votesContrary, I knew exactly what you were saying. My post wasn't directed at you, more the topic itself. The thing is, just because C9 beat TL in a best of 5, doesn't mean TL didn't deserve worlds. If TL really didn't deserve worlds, then they will lose at worlds.
I was just merely saying, dont slap TL in the face and say "Oh, C9 may have done terrible this season, but they have another chance! So good luck!". TL took 3rd, they deserve the seat.
JimmyNtheKudos1 votesThey didn't just lose to C9 they also lost to TSM. It's two instances where TL just didn't show up. They beat TiP but come on after the XWX incident they just aren't the same team. Had they beat TSM that would have definitely proved to everyone that they are one of the best teams in NA and they absolutely deserve to play at the Worlds stage. They definitely had the chance to beat them but that pick and ban was so terrible, one they started to look good they were already down two games.
Xantak1 votesContrary, I knew exactly what you were saying. My post wasn't directed at you, more the topic itself. The thing is, just because C9 beat TL in a best of 5, doesn't mean TL didn't deserve worlds. If TL really didn't deserve worlds, then they will lose at worlds.
I was just merely saying, dont slap TL in the face and say "Oh, C9 may have done terrible this season, but they have another chance! So good luck!". TL took 3rd, they deserve the seat.
If TL deserved to go to worlds, they would've gotten the job done on any of their multiple tries this season. TL had their chances as well, and dropped them. It's called accountability. TL could've been the team to get 90 points in the spring split, to help their chances after the summer split. They didn't. TL crapped the bed against TSM, that's on TL. TL got a third chance by being the fresh team, the final boss, the gatekeeper to the worlds, in the regional qualifier. How did that go for TL? C9 wanted it more, and rose to the challenge. And they did it by playing nearly a full split over the span of 3 days. 14 games. C9 didn't steal, they TOOK that final spot. They earned it, they deserved it. They didn't pull any shenanigans. There wasn't any cheating, nor any DDOSing of TL, nobody on C9's hopping out of their seat to rush over to TL's side and doing a full contact gank. TL held their own destiny in their hands, and let it fall. TL had opportunities, but didn't cash them in.
TL lost to a team, when it counted, on that particular night, to a superior team. Just as they lost in the playoffs to TSM, who played superior to them, when advancement was on the line.
If you want that spot, you fight for it with everything you've got, and you tap into your reserves just a little more than your opponent, and you win. You don't collapse under pressure. You may bend, but you don't break.
GA Lynx1 votesWait, wait, wait. You're actually serious? People are actually saying this?
DestructoDave1 votesI think people are more annoyed by the overrating of Liquid and their dream team in general. I get tired of hearing how they had the best team on paper. How? I mean how? They dont even have a top player, and the teams they lost to, all had comparable positions if not better in most cases.
Guyy Fieri1 votesI don't care if they were overrated or not...TL is my favorite and will always be. I will always root for them and think they are the best because that's how sports fans act.
Onegarion1 votesThey did lose to a 7th place team. YOu have to look at the other factor in that the Gauntlet had a max of 15 games possible to play. C9 came in playing 10 games to find things that work in real settings with many scrims being less "real" than actually playing the game on stage. C9 was given 14 games total which is almost a full season of the LCS. To me this shows how important and how much of a change doing extra games does to preparing a team. I'm not trying to discredit C9 for winning all the series, but there is a reason when they get tons of real practice on stage to help them in real situations. All the other teams hadn't played in the same situation in a long time especially in comparison.
What I just described and with the terrible P/B Liquid had it was almost destined for them to lose. They played very sloppy in their games against C9 and honestly earned the loss completely.
JimmyNtheKudos1 votesI agree with almost everything you're saying. I'm not trying to say that TL should have won or C9 should have won or whatever. What I'm trying to get at is that it's dumb to allude that TL lost to a bad team when really they played a strong vetaran team on the cusp of a big comeback. People say "7th place team" as if you were talking about TDK or something.
Onegarion1 votesThats trying to say that TDK was actually bad. Their sub squad was bad, but the squad itself was much better and if they were given a full split you would see a completely different standings. Also C9 is a 7th place team, but in a Region that most teams are not that big of a difference in skill 7th place doesn't mean much. I mean Gravity was the top team and then they just dropped the ball to everyone and failed hard at thend of the season. With Hai in the lineup C9 was getting better, but if you listen to the analyst desk and the castors they echoed what I'm about to say in that C9 were winning because other teams were doing really stupid things. Gravity was pulling out picks that had no place to be used. I mean you don't try new things in Playoffs to the level they did. Impulse just fell flat. I mean I have no idea how they managed to drop that series at all other than getting in their own head and just throwing. Liquid is the only team that really got outplayed and outmatched with really big flaws in game. There were many rotations and calls that they wouldn't have made at any time in the regular season and ruined their chances. All these teams loss the games for themselves. THey changed their strats and plans for no reason against C9 and C9 lucked out in being able to capitalize on major mistakes that shouldn't have been made in the first place.