TL vs C9 2019 Finals Game 5-- Corejj's Rakan Ult Catching Sneaky from ~200 Map Units Away?

tielr·Sep 2, 2019·6 votes·7,207 views

I play a lot of Rakan and ever since his mechanic changes made it so you cant cast W or flash for 0.5 seconds after Ult. In game 5 of TL vs C9 in the 2019 playoff finals at 21:40 Core jj seems to flash-into-ult, and catches sneaky from about 200 map units away. I think even Sneaky was caught off guard because he had xayah ult AND flash. Sneaky is a good enough player to know the hitbox of Rakan's ult, which is relatively narrow and centered around Rakan's body, which is why he probably held off on his ult/flash because corejj was so far away. Was I the only one who spotted this? If you play the clip at 0.25x speed it is glaringly obvious.

22 Comments

ChompyWulfSep 3, 20193 votes

I don't see the issue. He was way out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.

tielrSep 3, 20192 votes

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I don't see the issue. He was way out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.

Sneaky was definitely out of position, but that isn't the issue.. pause the video at 21:41 at 0.25x speed and you'll see Sneaky get charmed from a considerable distance. I might believe it's an unintended animation cancel mechanic like someone else said, but the way sneaky was playing so forward made me think that he was trying to bait out Core jj's cooldowns, but ended up getting cheesed really hard.

ChompyWulfSep 3, 20191 votes

Well, he got Flash-Ulted. This isn't a new mechanic, the only thing is there seemed to be a glitch that it didn't show where Rakan flashed to, which wouldn't change the end result, only that it's more clear to see it happen. Point remains, Sneaky was out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.

tielrSep 3, 20191 votes

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Well, he got Flash-Ulted. This isn't a new mechanic, the only thing is there seemed to be a glitch that it didn't show where Rakan flashed to, which wouldn't change the end result, only that it's more clear to see it happen. Point remains, Sneaky was out of position and Rakan was right on top of him.

I suggest you re-read what you wrote.. If there's a glitch then it definitely could have impacted the outcome. If that was the case, then it surely is a new mechanic that should be utilized more often because of how inconspicuous the catch potential is. And again, yeah Sneaky was out of position, whether that was intentional or not is not the point.. (??) I'm pretty ambivalent towards C9 anyway so it's not like I'm saying this play was the sole reason C9 lost.

ChompyWulfSep 3, 20192 votes

A visual glitch may need fixing, but it doesn't change that the moment CoreJJ flashed he also hit Sneaky with his Ult. He didn't Ult first. It's not like Sneaky flashed but was still hit by Charm anyway. There was no pause, there was no protest, it was just an ~~outplay~~ punish with a strange visual glitch.

tielrSep 4, 20192 votes

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A visual glitch may need fixing, but it doesn't change that the moment CoreJJ flashed he also hit Sneaky with his Ult. He didn't Ult first. It's not like Sneaky flashed but was still hit by Charm anyway. There was no pause, there was no protest, it was just an ~~outplay~~ punish with a strange visual glitch.

It's not even worth my time trying to explain this to you at this point. Okay yes, you're right.

foristSep 3, 20193 votes

Probably just a spectator bug.

ShädämSep 3, 20193 votes

That looks more like a really disgusting animation cancel. Rakan pressed Ult and flash around the same time, and for some reason you cant exactly see where he actually flashed. Judging by the actual flash animation (those gold sparks) it looks like he flashed in place, but my theory is that he flashed on top of Xayah, but the ult animation cancelled his flash animation. Its probably hard to pull off, and I wouldnt call it unfair, but its still the abuse of an unintented mechanic, so it definitely should be fixed.

tielrSep 3, 20192 votes

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That looks more like a really disgusting animation cancel. Rakan pressed Ult and flash around the same time, and for some reason you cant exactly see where he actually flashed. Judging by the actual flash animation (those gold sparks) it looks like he flashed in place, but my theory is that he flashed on top of Xayah, but the ult animation cancelled his flash animation. Its probably hard to pull off, and I wouldnt call it unfair, but its still the abuse of an unintented mechanic, so it definitely should be fixed.

I thought so to, so I pulled up practice mode and tried every combo but I couldn't personally get it to work. Maybe the ping that they have in the stadium is just so good they can pull stuff like that off haha

tielrSep 2, 20192 votes

All I'm saying is that Rakan's Ult hitbox is so narrow that you have to essentially be on top of the enemy champion to land the charm. But in that instance you see that Corejj kind of just flashed in place and landed the charm on sneaky a considerable distance away, so that's what I mean when it looks like sneaky got caught off guard..

BladeSingularitySep 3, 20192 votes

As someone who has played with a lot of Rakans, including longtime mains, I know that is definitely not the hitbox. W hadn't gone off yet, so it's not like Sneaky was hit with the charm during the dash. Good eye though.

IncrediPhiLLSep 4, 20192 votes

While I don't think this was game-costing or anything like that, there is definitely a bug of some kind here. If CoreJJ did know about the bug and utilized it to an advantage, that is directly against the RIOT rules for pro play champ selection. I can't remember the exact article or section number, but it says something along the lines of "A player can not pick a champ and knowingly execute a glitch or bug with said champ" or something like that.

If that's the case, and I'm assuming it is because the timing was impeccable to make the animation cancelation work, then TL should have been disqualified for exploiting the bug. Rules are rules... but then again... this is the team with the richest owner in the NALCS we're talking about...

BigBellBruteSep 5, 20191 votes

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While I don't think this was game-costing or anything like that, there is definitely a bug of some kind here. If CoreJJ did know about the bug and utilized it to an advantage, that is directly against the RIOT rules for pro play champ selection. I can't remember the exact article or section number, but it says something along the lines of "A player can not pick a champ and knowingly execute a glitch or bug with said champ" or something like that.

If that's the case, and I'm assuming it is because the timing was impeccable to make the animation cancelation work, then TL should have been disqualified for exploiting the bug. Rules are rules... but then again... this is the team with the richest owner in the NALCS we're talking about...

Thinly veiled conspiracy theories.

IncrediPhiLLSep 5, 20191 votes

It's not a conspiracy theory if there is video evidence... see above.

C9 also has a consistent history of "throwing" games in the NALCS playoffs... but they still go on to prove they are the best in NA at World's... while the teams that "beat" them in the NA Playoffs always go over there and flop... Hmm... consistent trends often lead to confirmed results. I mean, there is only so many times your gnomes strangely swap locations around your yard overnight that you simply have to believe that the dew brings them to life while you sleep.

Crispy0SnakeSep 6, 20191 votes

Did you see J4 this game?

Doesn't cc chain bot, so Sneaky has to chase further and dies

Then soaks xp and dies for free mid

So odd to watch

BigBellBruteSep 6, 20191 votes

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It's not a conspiracy theory if there is video evidence... see above.

C9 also has a consistent history of "throwing" games in the NALCS playoffs... but they still go on to prove they are the best in NA at World's... while the teams that "beat" them in the NA Playoffs always go over there and flop... Hmm... consistent trends often lead to confirmed results. I mean, there is only so many times your gnomes strangely swap locations around your yard overnight that you simply have to believe that the dew brings them to life while you sleep.

No. There is not video evidence of a conspiracy. You are jumping to the conclusion of a conspiracy from evidence of a probable spectator glitch. Never mind that C9 would have to be in on the conspiracy for it to actually be a successful one.

BigBellBruteSep 2, 20191 votes

Excuses Excuses. Sneaky got owned. There was absolutely nothing fishy going on. Get over it.

If it was something fishy, Sneaky would have paused. But there wasn't.

Smash MouseSep 4, 20193 votes

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Excuses Excuses. Sneaky got owned. There was absolutely nothing fishy going on. Get over it.

If it was something fishy, Sneaky would have paused. But there wasn't.

Not an argument

BigBellBruteSep 5, 20191 votes

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Not an argument

You complain about my post with a gratuitous assertion which can be equally gratuitously denied.