Who do you think will beat eachother in the 1 on 1 matchup?
I currently have IG placed 1st seed and im debating whether fnatic or ahq will be second. Im rewatching the fnatic/ahq games from msi but rekkles is a big upgrade from steelback so im not sure.
Thoughts?
TheSequelsRBad1 votesFnatic seems more likely to me, but could go either way.
And of course it doesn't matter because C9 is going to come out of nowhere and go 6-0 in the groups. ;)
daniellizard1 votesTrue dat. I also predict BKT and H2K going out of groups - SKT and EDG are so weak!
Definitely on the quarter finals there would be the 3 EU team, the 3 NA teams, and the 2 wildcards.
The finals would be between BKT and PAIN - it's so obvious!
TheSequelsRBad2 votesDon't forget TSM is easily going to destroy LGD and KT. These are some of the most one sided groups in history, like there is no conceivable way BKT doesn't make at least finals!
SKT OTTO GOD1 votes0-6 obviously XD
Archon X1 votesFnatic is going to absolutely wreck
Yellowstar is the #1 player in the world right now
daniellizard1 votesI agree on the first part.
The second part is a bit too much, mainly because it's hard to put someone at first place on this level of play.
btw - during the boot camps, Febiven got the highest rank in SoloQ with 800LP in the Korean Challenger - which is quite impressive!
Bídoof1 votes[{quoted}](name=Archon X,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Qf4EFEWH,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2015-09-26T16:28:50.119+0000)
Fnatic is going to absolutely wreck
Yellowstar is the #1 player in the world right now
Hes definitally not, but he is good. Im just trying to figure out how overrated fnatic actually are, vs. How overatef AHQ are. Im leaning towards fnatic winning
daniellizard2 votesIf IG tilts, which is very likely, I think FNC and AHQ would hold the first two spots.
Earl Eulrich1 votesthere are no 1v1 matchups in professional 5v5, it´s all about rotations. In this case it´s about denying Westdoor his ability to roam around, and fnatic is definitly a team that can do that. It´ll be close, but my money is on fnatic (and for the record, i expect IG to be #2 in this group, though all of the 3 teams are absolutly able to win the group). Also, you really underrate Steelback, his teamfighting is absolutly brilliant and his laning isn´t even that bad - give him 1more year and he´ll be in the top 5 of western ADCs.
Ale non è male1 votes[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=Qf4EFEWH,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2015-09-26T17:00:07.468+0000)
Also, you really underrate Steelback, his teamfighting is absolutly brilliant and his laning isn´t even that bad - give him 1more year and he´ll be in the top 5 of western ADCs.
Unfortunately that's not true. His laning is terribad, otherwise he would be the 2nd best ADC in Europe right now. And i agree his teamfighting is very good, after all, he would be a valuable asset for like half of the Western LCS team despite him being terribad at laning (he would be a big upgrade over a Vardags for UoL, for example)
Earl Eulrich1 voteslet´s just say his way of laning gets the job done - he knows he can play around lower ressources as his teamfighting is rather outstanding, so he just plays it overly save. Reminds me on Deft a while ago...and as of today Deft is one of the more feared laners in the LPL. Just hand Steelback a team that provides him with proper challenge and he might surprise you.
Ale non è male1 votesBut Steelback does not take less resources because he gives them to his teammates, he is really weak mechanically and is always behind in CS @10 which is one of the main measures of mechanical skill of ADCs it is not proper challenge that he lacks, he lacks mechanics. He is capable to overcome most of his weaknesses by being a very very good as far as teamfighting and positioning goes, but against the top ADC in the world unfortunately he is going to lose every time
Earl Eulrich1 votesi don´t think csing is really a good tool to talk about mechanics. csing is rather easy, and 2v2 laning is 60% the suport and 40%the ADC early on. His teamfight mechanics though had been incredible, wether it´s orb-walking or general targeting/use of abilities (same as deft - and once he learned to be more aggressive early on you immediatly could see that it´s not a lack of mechanics that keep people from winning their lane but rather the mindset/experience). The main messurment of skill for an ADC should be dmg delt - and if somebody manages to deal the most dmg in the game despite having only 40cs at min 10 that tells a lot more about his potential as the ability to be up 7cs at min 10... Not to mention that with fnatic a lot of the cs difference later on really did stem from them putting the ressources into Febiven and Huni rather than steelback, on his NA CS team his CS numbers are a lot higher (though you obviously can argue that mostly stems from less able opponents).
daniellizard1 votesGuys, you are aware that Steelback doesn't play for Fnatic since the summer split, right?
Rekkles is the adc for FNC.
Earl Eulrich1 votesyea, and since he left fnatic he plays for Imagine in the NA CS.
Ale non è male1 votesI completely disagree No one is denying is amazing teamfighting skills, but his mechanical skills are terribad. To go behind in CS/gold/experience in lane - despite having the best support in Europe in Yellowstar with him - means that you are giving to the enemy ADc an advantage to potentially snowball upon and carry the game. Fnatic didn't pay that in spring cause of their superior strategy, rotation, control objective, teamfighting (that only uoL on their good games could beat), but when they faced top level world competition, that thing was exposed and Fnatic always got to a disadvantage in laning that give a weapon to enemy to snowball and Fnatic couldn't always overcome from that. His orb-walking and csing is just terribad compared to top level ADCs
Handle a different team is not going to solve Steelback mechanical issues. He is not a very bad player, though, you got to know his weaknesses and play around them. UoL until their synergy with Kikis broke up could work around those kind of weakness depite having an ADC in Vardags which is far weaker than what Steelback is...so I'm sure he can find an LCS team and be a good asset for them
Earl Eulrich1 votesi would actually like seeing Gambit picking Steelback up if they finally have enough of Forgivens afectations. they are a team focused around top/jungle mostly anyway and he would fit in very well i think. (though now that coast and renegades are out he can just force himself though the NA CS next split, Imagine is quite an interessting team).
Ale non è male1 votesGambit management and coaching is a mess. They brought in Forg1ven to shift attention from top/jungle mostly and to distribute more evenly resources and pressure around the map - given that Betsy is a very weak mid and thus the team is completely unbalanced towards top side of the map They did a terribad job at trying to change their style, not making the guys training until few days before the start of the split, changing plans on the run in the split to recover from that W-L deficit, not helping Forg1ven - which huge whiny ego was yet known, imho - intergating in the team. And still, without forg1ven ban and the terribad job in finding a replacement they did (again), they were going to PO Gambit does not need to take a downgrade in talent, need to be managed better
P.S. Imagine completely sucks as a team, and without Steelback isn't going anywhere and doesn't have LCS talent, I hope Steelback leave them and find a proper team in NA/EU LCS when he can express his game
Whisper Centurys1 votesFNC could take first place from IG... They would just have to play very smart like they did all summer split...
Tarezi1 votesHonestly, I feel like FNC could take first seed....I mean tilting and upsets have to happen, right? It can't just be the strongest teams on paper/reviewing previous plays. Look at Worlds last year, and IEM Katowice back in March (The Flash Wolves, Team WE, GE Tigers).
I feel like Fnatic is underrated by most casters and analysts for some reason, even after the impressive performance they put up at MSI...And they've gotten better since then.
I do realize that the 18-0 record may not be that impressive considering EU is a weaker region than Korea and China (The analysts and casters say that Fnatic's weaknesses are in the early game, which is something that some teams in EU did exploit, but they just couldn't close games fast enough and misplayed mid/late-game so Fnatic came back and won the game.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is I'm not saying Fnatic is the best team at Worlds, but I don't feel like they're weak either - I feel like they can stand toe-to-toe with some of the Eastern teams, and I think they have a good chance at making Quarterfinals.