Rankings for LCS...

aítch · 2016-01-18T01:14:50.246Z

NA IMT NRG C9 CLG DIG TSM RNG FOX TL 10.TIP EU H2K UOL VIT FNC G2 OG ROC EL GIA 10.SPY What are your rankings?

aítch·Jan 18, 2016·2 votes·1,328 views

IMT
NRG
C9
CLG
DIG
TSM
RNG
FOX
TL 10.TIP

H2K
UOL
VIT
FNC
G2
OG
ROC
EL
GIA 10.SPY

What are your rankings?

38 Comments

ZDrahgonzJan 18, 20161 votes

Rip my fantasy team, thought Origen would be 2-0

aítchJan 18, 20161 votes

H2k all the way!

TurquoiseYoshiJan 18, 20161 votes

NA: 1: IMT 2: NRG 3: DIG 4: C9 5: CLG 6: REN (God dammit Royals Never Give Up) 7: TSM 8: TL 9: FOX 10: TiP

EU: 1: H2K 2: VIT 3: UOL 4: G2 5: ROC 6: OG 7: FNC 8: GIA 9: EL (This is very cautious, I expect them to fall back to last soon) 10: SPY

aítchJan 18, 20161 votes

Ok I am not allowing DIG to be good they aren't allowed to OK I'LL GIVE THEM 5TH BUT NO 3RD I CAN'T!!! And EU literally is H2K and then everyone else it is great XD

TurquoiseYoshiJan 18, 20161 votes

Hey, Dignitas only lost to NRG because of Baron steals and they messed up CLG big-time. They played really well this week.

Yeah, I'm looking at Vitality to get a bit better, but H2K is dominating right now. It feels right.

aítchJan 18, 20161 votes

Feelsrightman

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

To be fair, both of those barons calls were questionable at best in those given situations. Their macro game needs a lot more attention before they can make a case for a top 4 spot.

TurquoiseYoshiJan 18, 20161 votes

There was one 50/50 Baron and one that GBM needed Ghost to get a laser around a corner.

MasziiJan 18, 20161 votes

Missed smite you mean ;).

coeurloyalJan 19, 20161 votes

He missed it the first time (by almost a full second), but he didn't use smite at all the second time GBM ghosted for it.

MasziiJan 19, 20161 votes

Thats what i meant by missed smite ;).

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

tl;dr: I will grant that the second attempt was much better than the first, but both attempts still showed big issues with their macro shotcalling.

That's not an excuse for losing them, though. 50/50 barons should only be taken when they have no other option as a team or when they have a higher chance of executing than the enemy (read: have Kalista). The first time they attempted baron, (right at the 20min mark), they didn't even have a smite up. They attempted it again at 27 min when NRG's entire team was up.

When they forced it (and lost it) again a minute later, the entire NRG roster was still up and even had a split pushing Cris in the bot lane to deal with that they didn't respond to. They didn't even have vision control in the area when they started, and had no wards ready.

In both cases they should have been pressuring mid and bot for the inner turrets instead of forcing a 50/50 baron. At the very least, they should have bot first both so that NRG would be forced to make a decision about which threat to address. They could have at least used the Malph ult or Alistar W > Q to disrupt them long enough to smite.

The second baron they attempted was much better, but they once again did it with no vision control and only sent the alistar to stall. They should have sent Smittyj down to defend as well and they should have made that call the moment they first knew NRG was heading for dragon. They started heading toward mid to push before deciding though, and that delay gave GBM the opportunity.

In both cases, they made decisions they absolutely shouldn't have against a team that had better options for objective control then they themselves had.Frankly, I'm not even sure that GBM needed that ghost because he stutter-stepped and walked around it wide to delay his laser when he fired. He probably could have walked up normally and tossed it out there and still would have got it. It could be speaking to the fact that Kirei literally never used smite on baron despite having it up both times it was stolen, but those decisions were not well-informed regardless.

iamleburkJan 18, 20161 votes

Ehh I wouldn't be jumping to conclusions off of one week of games. A lot of new teams haven't really practiced together or developed synergy, and almost the entirety of the LCS is new teams. Also, many teams lost their games solely off of a misread on the meta, and i remember Origen in particular had no power in their gaming house until like 3 days before the LCS started. The main thing im looking at this weak is individual player performance. I was very impressed by all the Renegades, they all stepped up imo. Also, the new additions to FNC seem to be doing great, Gamsu needs some coaching though, but Noxiak and Spirit I've been very impressed with so far. Wildturtle impressed me a lot, and I was quite a fan of NRG's new players.

I still think NRG, C9, IMT, and TSM will make an extremely strong top 4 in NA with a little drop off before the next 4 (CLG, RNG, TL, DIG). I'm not as excited about Echo Fox as you are though.

EU i think will still be OG, H2K, FNC, and Vitality at the top in no particular order (Right now it looks like H2K>VIT>FNC>OG but i think that is extremely dynamic and has a high chance to change throughout the split)

After that idk. UOL looks very good, they actually have a macro game now, Giants and Elements look really bad in my opinion, like TIP level, Splyce i think might need some more adjusting to the LCS scene, the individual players didn't seem too bad. G2 i think will be very good at the end of the split, Roccat i think will fall off, Splyce will improve to a mid tier team, and UOL vs G2 will be an intense battle for 5th place.

aitćhJan 18, 20161 votes

Note: I am H4nyuu I just got my account banned for 7 days on the boards because I was arguing with some guy on Gameplay (why do I even bother with that section of the boards). But anyways.......... I know it is too early but based on first week impressions this is what I think tbh. IMO what is going to happen is TSM will C9 it (float around 6-9 all split make 6th and just win playoffs). C9 IMT, and TSM will be 1, 2, and 3 in NA and H2K, UOL, VIT/OG will be the 1, 2, and 3 of EU. But yeah you make good points it is waaaaaaay too early but hey I predict this will be the end of split rankings.

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

I don't see TSM floating around low tier during the season. I don't see them dropping below 5th at any point, actually; I think you'll see much cleaner macro shotcalling from them next week and they'll remain at the top. I'm incredibly impressed with CLG and DIG as teams; once CLG gets their pick/bans cleaned up a bit they should make a strong case for a top 4 spot beside NRG and C9. DIG isn't a top 4 team, but they certainly don't look like a bottom 3 team anymore following this week. If they clean up their objective control they could pull off some major upsets.

I also can't put a lot of faith in C9 right now. Without Hai's macro game they just aren't putting up the kind of performance we should be able to expect from a top tier team. I can't put any faith in TL either because it seems like their structural issues are sinking them.

IMO:

Tier 1: IMT, TSM Tier 2: NRG, C9, CLG Tier 3: DIG, FOX Tier 4: REN, TL, TIP

I'd rank them in that order, as well.

aitćhJan 18, 20161 votes

imo teams take longer to get shit together than 1 week. TSM will do what good teams do in every sport and just be good where it matters... The Playoffs. It is just natural for people to put 110% into a game that seems like it is worth more and when TSM is kicking all cylinders they are probably one of if not the best team in the world. Especially because they would make A LOT more money if they "come back" and that is a fact. Nothing against TSM its just how sports work (OG might pull off something similar).

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

I would agree that it normally takes longer, but TSM has shown historically that Andy as an owner is very good at telling his guys to shut up and take instructions, and Yellowstar has earned enough respect internationally that it won't take much for the rest of the team to fall into step with his game planning.

I could, of course, be completely wrong and it could take a couple months to fix some clashing personalities or figure out gold distribution. I'm not saying that they're going to have it all together by next week; I'm just saying I think they'll show a lot better because some of those kinks will be ironed out.

aitćhJan 19, 20161 votes

Yeah but normally that week usually is the last week of the season. Like comeback kid is literally what TSM and C9 are! And it is what makes NA LCS fun to watch. Teams like NRG and IMT that are really consistent (hopefully NRG is consistent) get very plain and boring to watch (i.e. why people hate Korea... it gets boring when you know who is going to win) but these teams like DIG who just SUCK some games and then pull off spectacular coordination and game planning it is just... so random! It was what made EU LCS so much fun in the past to watch (until FNC 18-0) because in EU LCS people are beating each other all the time! Idk just spitting out of my ass here :)

aitćhJan 19, 20161 votes

Also one more thing, TSM has to fix their problems, prepare for IMT, and then DIG who took out the team that beat TSM, I don't see TSM winning more than 1 game (and that game will be to IMT because they will probably only prepare for 1 game and bank it all on that one because they know all they need to do is make playoffs)

coeurloyalJan 19, 20161 votes

We'll have to agree to disagree here. TSM has historically never been a low-tier team, even during changes and cycles. They've consistently stayed top three since their formation with the exception of last split, where they hit their all-time low. If they play this season as a comeback team, it will be a new experience to TSM as an org.

MasziiJan 18, 20161 votes

UoL will not be in 1/2/3 at week 9. There i said it.

aitćhJan 18, 20161 votes

DiamondProx is a beast I believe they will lose like 4-5 games (2 to H2K obviously best team world H2K 5lief)

MasziiJan 18, 20162 votes

DiamondProx was a beast, he was realy bad last year, but that had more to do with Gambit in general. Though UoL look stronger than last year, they still will lose enough games. Probably around 8/9 games. H2K/Origen/Fnatic/Vitality all have stronger line ups. G2 looking strong aswell. UoL still have a bad adc and midlaner which will end up costing them wins.

iamleburkJan 19, 20161 votes

C9 will be extremely exploitable, NRG is still a wild card, has quite the chance to break into top 3, although obviously so far it isn't entirely clear. The individual players look really good, but the team play was sloppy (as is expected).

IMT looks better than I thought they would, good chance they get #1, but they deffinitely have some competitors.

UOL has been cleaner than I thought, but I think FNC can be cleaner. I'm really just thinking of teams at their peak, assuming all the players learn how to interact and work together, and in that situation i would give FNC the edge. But that is assuming FNC's coaching and staff are up to snuff.

aitćhJan 19, 20161 votes

C9 needs to learn that Hai won't be there forever and then they will be fine. NRG is basically LMQ from season 4. IMT is basically if OMG from last year didn't crumble apart. TSM are OMG from last year (right now they can change and probably will) UOL vs FNC will be fun to watch, honestly just rooting for UOL because they are second to H2K for me and I feel DiamondProx is really underestimated now. Plus FNC has been the best FOR TOO LONG DAMMIT!!

iamleburkJan 19, 20161 votes

Agreed on C9, that's what i meant. It's fairly easy for a good team to exploit a shitty support.

IMT i feel will do very well, I expect NRG to be more intelligent than LMQ was. TSM and NRG i feel are the same, very strong teams that need more synergy. Origen needs to learn the freaking meta, their drafts were god awful for their first two games.

It's not diamond that is underestimated, its the rest of the team. Steelback, Vivi, Fox, these aren't players I'm often impressed with. Diamond and Hyli could carry the team, and the team looked better than expected, but im not ready to call them even top 4

aitćhJan 20, 20161 votes

WHO WOULD UNDERESTIMATE A MAN WHO GOES SINGED AND OLD POPPY TOP AND GOES 9-0-8 ON THEM!?!?! WHAT MADMEN WOULD DO SUCH A THING!?!?!? (but yeah I guess Steelback was replaced by Rekkles so I have always thought he was just "not enough" but yeah Fox was decent enough on SK and Vizi in my eyes has always been good he just goes and Dyrus the lane up!)

iamleburkJan 20, 20161 votes

lol if you're going to call him good, Dyrus isn't the name I would be going with. And Viviscasci's cheese has lossed them the game more than it's won it for them, he tried Nocturne top lane and had like 8 deaths, and a good portion of his poppy games didn't turn out well either.

That said, he does perform on certain meta picks REALLY well. Ryze for example, I was very impressed with his Ryze (although its really hard to actually get that in this meta).

aitćhJan 20, 20161 votes

Dryusing a lane: When someone gets caught out over and over again and keeps dying despite knowing what is coming their way. Althought Dyrus just got camped everygame the term still sticks since everyone considered Dyrus as "bad".

iamleburkJan 21, 20161 votes

He was pretty bad, but remember when people call him bad they mean relative to the rest of the scene. He got camped, he got pressured, because he was the weak link in the team.

aitćhJan 21, 20161 votes

{quoted} Althought Dyrus just got camped everygame the term still sticks since everyone considered Dyrus as "bad".

MasziiJan 18, 20161 votes

IMT
NRG
C9/TSM/CLG
TIP

Rest is all to unpredictable atm.

H2k
Origen
Fnatic/Vit
UoL/G2

Bottom tiers teams are also too unpredictable

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

EU

H2k

Origen

Fnatic/Vit

UoL/G2

Bottom tiers teams are also too unpredictable

Agreed. Not sure what happened to OG this week, but they seemed very out of sync. H2k performed way better than I had expected, though. Will be interesting to watch them moving forward.

MasziiJan 18, 20161 votes

Nah i knew H2K was solid, cus of the line up and cus of there staff atm. Prolly has a real good understanding of what to do to win and they took some of Fnatics staff aswell.

coeurloyalJan 18, 20161 votes

Ah I didn't know that. I don't really know anything about most of the orgs or coaches in EU short of Hermit. I also never watched Roccat games because I didn't think they were any good, so as far as I was concerned Jankos and Vander were complete wildcards.

MasziiJan 18, 20161 votes

Jankos used to be the king of Firstblood back in Season 4/Early Season 5. Vander always been decent. Roccat slumped because of their bad toplaners (Xasus/Overpow/Steve) and ADC's (Celevar/Woolite/Rallaz)

EnnaJan 18, 20161 votes

You guys are dismissing TSM too readily. They're pretty much a gigantic wild card because their games depend on how sloppy they play. If they decide to buckle down and stop playing sloppy you could see them win. Their win vs TL was pretty much an upset because TSM let us think that TL had the game in a bag.

LintheJan 19, 20161 votes

{quoted}

You guys are dismissing TSM too readily. They're pretty much a gigantic wild card because their games depend on how sloppy they play. If they decide to buckle down and stop playing sloppy you could see them win. Their win vs TL was pretty much an upset because TSM let us think that TL had the game in a bag.

Agreeing. I dont think tsm finishes worse thsn 3rd. They will get their synergy worked out.

Imt has looked stupid good but look at who they beat. Tip is effectively a challenger level team.

Let's get the 1st half season in and see where we are