can cloud 9 get out of groups?

It's laughable that you are looking at the stats of last split when C9 was clearly hugely underperformed as a whole team because of balance problems and clearly this reflected on the stats The stats lie, as C9 actual level is not reflected by summer split stats BECAUSE they have a different roster and a different synergy

If you got back at spring split stats, Piglet should be considered absolutely terrible...but rightly people gave him a pass because he was having troubling in transferring from another region, so clearly people kept high consideration of him and he showed his quality in summer split I don't understand why this shouldn't be true also for Sneaky, where actually the problem weren't even his problems as he was the ones that was performing better before Meteos leaving in the team, but were team problems

How Sneaky is better than Piglet? He just trashed him in NA regional Qualifiers...if we are looking at direct proof this is the best and latest we have...

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Maybe if TL was my fav team, but it isn't. So I'm just stating an unbiased fact.

Piglet had the highest KDA out of anyone in the most recent split. Not adcs, anyone. @nd most GPM of adcs, First average gold per game of adcs (Keith only played like one game so he doesn't exactly count), and third overall kills only behind Bjergsen and Doublelift.

Sneaky? Not in the top 5 of any of those categories. Sneaky with his 3.9 KDA versus Piglet's 9.9

C9 barely didn't get relegated TL finished first (not counting playoffs as those stats are skewed with the amount of games C9 played compared to most other teams)

The stats don't lie, despite how much you want to argue the point. Numbers aren't everything, but when someone is significantly better in EVERY recorded stat for an entire split (actually the entire season, but still) that says something.

Piglet is First or second in every single category for ADCS, and in some cases first or second overall, compared to Sneaky not being in the top 10 in general for any of the stats, and close to the bottom as far as adcs go.

But tell me more about how Sneaky is better than Piglet, when I can show you proof that he isn't.

You see, the fallacy here, is you are comparing stats, which are always skewed in the favor of the WINNING teams. C9 was not a winning team this split. As you said, they were nearly relegated. Meaning, more than likely all their stats sucked. Where TL was the top team, won more games, and therefore had better stats.

Sneaky is better than Piglet. Sneaky, depending on what you consider most important, is the best ADC in NA. Him and doublelift can be interchangeable. Doublelift can have higher highs, and lower lows, where sneaky is just consistently good across the board. Sneakys only weakness, is he just isnt flashy. He has great positioning, laning, teamfighting, mechanics, just he isn't going to go doublelift on people quite as often. Where doublelift has the mechanics and other things, but zero awareness and generally poor positioning.

Piglet is just an overrated player, and so is Xspecial nowadays. Not to mention, in the head 2 head, lemon and sneaky dumpstered them.

I dunno why you guys continue to puff players up because of success they had awhile back. Piglet wouldnt even be picked up in Korea, and xpecial hasn't been far and away the best support in a long time. He makes a ton of mistakes; hell he made a lot of them in that series. So did Piglet.

When you take everything into consideration, Sneaky, and C9's bot lane, is far superior to TLs. Thats just the breaks.

Your proof might hold water, if TL and C9 were say, number 1 and number 2. Not a number 1 team whose stats are going to be massively inflated, compared to a team who won 6 games and almost got relegated. Of course their stats are going to be worse. How often do people have good stats in losing games? They dont in LoL.

TL's lineup is one of the most overrated things I have ever seen. You take a washed up ADC, who is maybe fighting for 3rd/4th best in NA, a mid-tier midlaner in fenix, an overrated support who again, is sort of washed up, and a top 4 top laner, which isnt saying much, considering there really isn't a world beater in NA in the top lane. Quas is good, but really on any day hes either balls or Zion. Its not like hes a god of the top lane. TL's one claim to fame, its one shining star, is IWD. Hes by far the "star" player on the team, and in contention for best in the region. The others are just mid-tier or overrated. I laugh when people act like they had the best lineup on paper. Their midlaner is like number 4 right now, their bot lane is 3/5, their top laner is 3/4, and their jungler is probably top 2. Literally the only thing they have on any of the teams that bested them, is IWD. They are even or outclassed in every other position against the 3 teams that went to worlds, and thats why they are 4th place.