Leagues Ranking Systems Keep Good Players In Bronze......

TheButcherToasty·Jan 28, 2015·3 votes·2,913 views

Let me start off by saying that I'm sorry when it looks like i just start whining......But I have to get this off my chest.

What would the NFL look like if they let the Superbowl winners, or playoff participants Have first rights on draft picks, instead of last.......This is basically what League does with the restart of their seasons. I have been stuck in bronze ever since i started playing. Very late Season 2. I was a Complete noob. Not very much experience with moba's. So i thought id have some fun and try out ranked play, Not knowing that it was going to ruin my ranking for my account for THE REST OF MY LIFE. I know everyone's solution to this is to make a new account, and start over to secure a better ranked score. This to me is just a Cheat.

I have some pride when I put my Username in. So I have been unwilling to start a new account under some false identity... So now since i have this stupid pride.....Every new season a fresh start....except, that since i was bronze when I dicked around as a total noob. I have been stuck in bronze with other bronze league trolls, feeders,Jerk-offs. I'm stuck with the other kids who are attempting ranked for the first time, or dumb enough to use a champ in ranked for the very first time, hoping they will destroy the other team on pure luck....I know the common response will be that I'm just bronze league, don't have the skill or whatever you want to call it to move to silver, gold..or higher.

I have a vast knowledge of the champions of league. I own almost 100 purely earning them from my play. I know every skill of every champion i play against. But I'm stuck with the noobs in bronze. I have gone through seasons of kids who still think its a good idea to take Kat for first pick.....when we all know that leaves the enemy team to choose 5 champs with stuns, pop-ups, and cc of all kind to make sure that kat will do NOTHING to them....

If league were to do a true restart on the ranked play...make the provisional 20 matches idc....I'm sick of playing these games just to have this 15 year old kids join my ranked match when they only have 20 minutes before bed time...and force another loss on my already frustrating record. I know there are thousands of other players that feel the same as me. Its just sad to see that Riot turns a deaf ear to bronze league players...I know the pro's are your go too guys and all....but does that mean riot thinks I'm not worthwhile in the League Family? Have i not bought enough skins to help support the game I love? Are my 7 rune pages meaningless unless I win a championship?

Please Riot, I'm stuck in Elo Hell and no matter how hard I try or how good i get....I cant play for the other 4 guys on my team every game....the ranking system might be fine for a brand new player....or a player who did great the previous season. But for players like myself, who shouldn't be stuck in bronze. It is a Joke. Thanks for letting me vent some frustration out on this forum. I know that it wont really be seen by any Riot people, and wont be taken seriously by anyone else. But Ive been loyal to the League ever since i first played a match years ago.....and have not been rewarded. (oh except you did give me a free trynd skin for being a "nice" summoner) ( which i didn't really earn because i didn't have internet for about 8 months,so while i was gone you just thought i was being nice lol)

24 Comments

SmashKingDexJan 28, 20153 votes

well... 4 solutions

Learn HYPER carries if you are truly as good & full of game knowledge as you claim then you would know simply by checking out 90% of the Ranked profiles that really the only Summoner's that climb the Ranks of SoloQ are Carries & HyperCarries. you HAVE TO pick champs that change games. that simply by you outplaying your opponent during laning phase you are able to start roaming around 20-25min & literally picking off anyone you want. from Tanks to other carries. are all perfet examples of how you can pick champs that "change the game wwhen fed". I have noticed that most Burst Mages, Supports, & 99% of Tanks don't appear on ANY Summoner Ranked Profiles. this is a team game YES, sigh.....BUT the way it's set up "SoloQ" says it all. Play each match like its you in a 1v1 for the 1st 15min & shut that other person down. then it's a 1v5 & if your lucky your Team "helps". The BEST lane to Hyper carry your way out Bronze, Silver, & Gold is MIDDLE LANE as an assassin. if you get these champs "rolling" there is basically ZERO way to stop them. even if you are split pushing on & you ignore your team for the most part or you are Team fighting out of your mind with & making sure you secure x3 kills, then simply by lack of bodies on the enemy Team your Team cant really mess that up. 2v5 or 2v4 PUSH. Kills are great & all but Objectives win games, simply put. HYPER CARRIES!
DuoQ really Helps! with some sort of chat system with a VERY smart & strategy versed friend(not just a random)
reduce the amount of Ranked games you actually play. I LITERALLY play 2 Ranked matches a day. Unless I go 2-0(in that case I will ONLY play 1 more). or if I get my Promo's I will continue to play Ranked matches. but 1v1'g & Normals is where it's @ tbh. you gotta MASTER rotations & champs. Play Jungle A LOT, even if its not your "main". mainly because if you have a good idea of jungle paths & strength of the average jglr it helps you play in your lane ALOT better & SAFER. if you are top, middle, or ADC buy the Yellow Trinket & upgrade it the moment you hit lvl9(remember "SoloQ", you can't count on your "team" to win the game. It's YOU).
Join a Ranked Team or start a Ranked Team 3v3 or 5v5. of players who have the same drive & knowledge of the game as yourself(like myself) & stop playing SoloQ. climb as a Team, because after all that is where this game SHINES 5v5 Ranked Teams. that is League, NOT SoloQ.

just remember I believe the only part of the Ranked League system that doesn't actually work is the fact that 90% of the time Hyper Carries or Carries will be the only SummonerProfiles that actually get out of LowEloHell. tbh I feel that like in TeamBuilder the game should keep track of that ACTUAL champs you are selecting & give LeaguePoints based off of what you are actually doing in your matches......Not just KDA & Wins. Like Tanks are the best example. scroll through the Ranks Profiles I BET you see MAYBE 20 Tanks on all lists(& most of those are a player who played the tank champ a few times & has 7,000,000 matches with Vayne & Akali lolz

Annie Braum DrMundo Janna Gnar Garen Kassadin Nunu Singed Thresh Zac Tryndamere Much Love.

but to wrap it all up I suggest you play these FIVE champs & master them & I promise you that you will climb the ranks 1. Zed for Middle Lane 2. Riven for Top Lane 3. Vayne for ADC 4. LeeSin for Jungle 5. Janna for Support

I hope I helped open your eyes a bit, Good Luck Brother. Singed Nunu Annie Garen

SukishooJan 28, 20152 votes

I agree with a lot of this, but especially the Janna . I was able to climb so much last season learning her and playing pretty much only her.

TheButcherToastyJan 28, 20151 votes

Thanks for your real input, I guess ill try sticking to your list of hyper carries and pretend I have no teammates. Honestly I didn't expect any real feedback, was thinking it would fill with comments like Sekai's.....

SmashKingDexJan 28, 20151 votes

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Thanks for your real input, I guess ill try sticking to your list of hyper carries and pretend I have no teammates. Honestly I didn't expect any real feedback, was thinking it would fill with comments like Sekai's.....

biggest thing to remember is DON'T be "that guy" the guy who Feeds, stops helping your Team, goes AFK, or DC's, or Trolls, or Verbally Abuses.....it ONLY decreases your chances of winning. it makes me sad to admit it but Hyper Carries are really the only way to get up there. if you keep seeing your games end in KDA's like 22-4-11 / 45-11-15 / 33-1-9 ...shit like that will MOST LIKELY end in WINS. which will also end with you Climbing SoloQ. just Master like 4-6 champs & you will be fine. DON'T give up! This game is amazing & you love it for a reason!

TheButcherToastyJan 28, 20152 votes

So my last promo...and trist leaves at lvl 3. So tired of this crap.

IAmWhiteWookieJan 28, 20152 votes

I feel the same way. I just hope that one day they will notice that not all Bronze players are your average noob. Just tired of winning one game to have the next three a bunch of people who don't know how to play and end right where I started.

SEKAIJan 28, 20151 votes

First off, throwing bricks into the readers' face is not a good start in any conversation/discussion.

Paragraphs help.

TheButcherToastyJan 28, 20151 votes

I apologize. Ill fix it for you. Oh and thank you for your brave response. Glad to see the discussion is moving in a good direction....

p.s I hope that made it easier to read. I get hasty after a bad match I guess....

darkorpseJan 29, 20151 votes

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First off, throwing bricks into the readers' face is not a good start in any conversation/discussion.

Paragraphs help.

According to proper English syntax, the OP did use paragraphs... indentation is considered antiquated.

SEKAIJan 29, 20151 votes

He changed shortly afterwards, which is why it looks all nice and clean now.

SmashKingDexJan 28, 20151 votes

DEF Janna Morgana Thresh op as ****

Rush RecklesslyJan 28, 20151 votes

good players climb out of bronze, you dont seem to get theres a reason youre getting grouped with the people you are. I remember when i thought the same...i was 660 elo (for a reason) blame less carry more.

SmashKingDexJan 28, 20151 votes

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good players climb out of bronze, you dont seem to get theres a reason youre getting grouped with the people you are. I remember when i thought the same...i was 660 elo (for a reason) blame less carry more.

EXACTLY. "carry more" ....sigh. just wish Tanks, some junglers, & some supports had the same ability to climb the SoloQ ladder as CARRIES do

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VixanysJan 29, 20151 votes

Last Season. I climbed from Bronze V to Gold V hardly ever playing Hyper Carries. My top 5 were: Morgana Lulu Shyvana DrMundo Zyra .

Usually in Bronze, I'd be Jungle or Support because I didn't want to make the Special Cases rage quit (I'm looking at you "Mid or Afk" or "Top or Feed"). Another thing, I wouldn't complain about team members, ever. It just starts an endless discussion (or argument) that I didn't want a part of.

My comments in chat would be direct about what I was doing and what I expected. Nothing more, Nothing Less. Don't complicate the issue with un-needed. Praise teamwork and good play. Ignore shortcomings and don't be an ass.

I will not lie and say I did not play a Hyper Champion at all. My most successful champions Sona 5:0, XinZhao 4:0. I played fewer than 5 games (most 1-3) on any "Hyper-Carry" with 3:0 on Zed .

I didn't not play for long hours into the night. I didn't not, Practice till I wanted to kill all trolls or bad players. 1-5 games at most a day. Normals if I wanted to get a feel for a champion's mechanics (when I started playing Lee for instance) though most people will not do this and just take a champion into SoloQ.

SmashKingDexJan 29, 20151 votes

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Last Season. I climbed from Bronze V to Gold V hardly ever playing Hyper Carries. My top 5 were: .

Usually in Bronze, I'd be Jungle or Support because I didn't want to make the Special Cases rage quit (I'm looking at you "Mid or Afk" or "Top or Feed"). Another thing, I wouldn't complain about team members, ever. It just starts an endless discussion (or argument) that I didn't want a part of.

My comments in chat would be direct about what I was doing and what I expected. Nothing more, Nothing Less. Don't complicate the issue with un-needed. Praise teamwork and good play. Ignore shortcomings and don't be an ass.

I will not lie and say I did not play a Hyper Champion at all. My most successful champions 5:0, 4:0. I played fewer than 5 games (most 1-3) on any "Hyper-Carry" with 3:0 on .

I didn't not play for long hours into the night. I didn't not, Practice till I wanted to kill all trolls or bad players. 1-5 games at most a day. Normals if I wanted to get a feel for a champion's mechanics (when I started playing Lee for instance) though most people will not do this and just take a champion into SoloQ.

I'm happy for you bro. it's really cool that you climbed to GoldV with those 5 champs... btu just like everything in life there is always an exception to the rule. That's you. WHAT I ACTUALLY SAID WAS "1. Learn HYPER carries
if you are truly as good & full of game knowledge as you claim then you would know simply by checking out 90% of the Ranked profiles that really the only Summoner's that climb the Ranks of SoloQ are Carries & HyperCarries." your the 10%, want a cookie? I bet it's even less then 10% of profiles that climb without "op champs" HyperCarries/Carries...I was just giving a rough estimate from what I see by actually looking @ the Ranked Profiles summoner 3

VixanysJan 30, 20151 votes

I don't know why you are acting so butt hurt. You were giving advice and I was just adding my opinion to said advice. In no way, shape, or form was I insinuating you were wrong or that your advice was bad. We are all just providing our experience and what we have seen as a constant to help the OP.

In my opinion, (once again what most of the posts on this forum are). Lower elo play is more about your attitude and how it affects your teammates and less about skill matchups or hard carrying your team. The amount of throwing back and forth would make a football pro swoon. Also I'm not saying you shouldn't carry the meta has 2 of them and the option for 2 more just splayed out.

Please don't give me one of the shitty cookies. Chocolate chip if you have em.

At the end of the day, we are all providing advice to a fellow low elo friend that has found himself in the depths of ranked hell, and we want him out. Providing him with as much advice as he can handle and hoping for the best is the extent of our help. Getting butt hurt when someone adds an opinion that provides countering ideals to yours is not helping the OP at all.

Relax, I can see you are exhausted. Maybe eat one of those cookies you are talking about. item 3157

ImHerVoiceJan 29, 20151 votes

I could get you to diamond in a week Assuming you have j4 graves leb irelia jax and fiddle. Yeah. A week. oh and proper runes. your mmr might be so bad that it takes longer than that though cause the LP gain would be shit.

SmashKingDexJan 29, 20151 votes

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I could get you to diamond in a week Assuming you have j4 graves leb irelia jax and fiddle. Yeah. A week. oh and proper runes. your mmr might be so bad that it takes longer than that though cause the LP gain would be shit.

with the exception of J4(& some actually consider him a semi-carry) & Fiddle(if that is a jungle Fiddle, because FiddleInTheMiddle is a carry) ALL THOSE CHAMPS ARE CARRIES & HYPER CARRIES! which is my whole point. ANYONE can climb with them as long as you play each game with the mind set of WINNING is what matters in your head & YOUR NOT A ReRe when it comes to playing Strategy games in general. summoner 3

ImHerVoiceJan 29, 20151 votes

I've been playing all these champions since their release friend.

I don't follow meta at all. Not one bit. The only meta I consider is rune changes(whats a better rune build when some got nerfed like having an armor quint is better than armor seals now.. etc)... And masteries. And maybe the jungle items I figured out what was best in under a week by trial and error and stuck with that simple.

I'm not "abusing a hyper carry!" or w/e the casuals call it. I'm playing what I'm comfortable with. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I don't appreciate that it feels like you're belittling my choices based on your own thoughts on them. Be a little bit more respectful.

GigglesOJan 29, 20152 votes

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I'm not "abusing a hyper carry!" or w/e the casuals call it.

The real problem is that Riot expects you to be able to carry 4 players that don't want to/ don't know how to win.

ImHerVoiceJan 29, 20151 votes

Yeah 90% of every game is chance and 10% is you. So you better make that 10% count for a lot.

I'll admit I have a bit of a defeatists attitude sometimes and It does cost me some wins sometimes but I'd say at least 80% of my games I try my absolutely hardest and do my best to the best of my abilities. I might make mistakes. But whats the fun in playing like a bitch? Maybe I like playing exhaust ignite irelia and jax and crushing my lane. Maybe I get caught trying to all in and die. Shit happens. But I don't go on tilt until I know the game is absolutely over and there's nothing I can do to win.

Some games are just like that, learning to accept that helps you climb quicker. Some games are wins some games are losses. some games are toss ups.

Most games are easy to figure out how they'll play out by the 15 minute mark though.

Personally I usually try to 20s to not waste anyones time with an obvious loss. But I have the mindset of someone who doesn't like wasting time even if its a loss so I try to be quick about my deicisions and not indecisive. Questioning everything you do or someone else does only breeds negativity or even worse, losses.

SmashKingDexJan 29, 20151 votes

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I've been playing all these champions since their release friend.

I don't follow meta at all. Not one bit. The only meta I consider is rune changes(whats a better rune build when some got nerfed like having an armor quint is better than armor seals now.. etc)... And masteries. And maybe the jungle items I figured out what was best in under a week by trial and error and stuck with that simple.

I'm not "abusing a hyper carry!" or w/e the casuals call it. I'm playing what I'm comfortable with. Nothing more. Nothing less.

I don't appreciate that it feels like you're belittling my choices based on your own thoughts on them. Be a little bit more respectful.

I wasn't talkn about your champion selection BRAH, I was OBV talkn about 90%-99% of the champions selected by the Summoners who climb SoloQ rankings as CARRIES & HyperCARRIES. CARRIES being the KEY word

My point was that the secondary roles don't really make their appearance on the Rankings. Tanks most Junglers most Supports

this is also not the case when a Summoner has J4 or Moa or Malph or Braum or Janna or Noc or Ren on their most played champs list RIGHT BEHIND their 2 HyperCarries!!! Rammus Games played - 23 .... Akali Games played - 589 ...aka or hence or w.e makes ya feel good & how ever you wanna word it HYPER carries make it to the Top & then once you actually get on a Ranked Team, that's when you play Junglers, Supports, & Tanks AND do amazing things. I was trying to say that I wish there was a way to actually give you points in each match WIN OR LOSE for what your actually doing in EACH match. CS, Wards, Assists, Movement, Items, Gpm, Objectives. stuff like that. But right now it's basically centered around KDA, Wins, & Dpm. well Supports, Tanks, & Junglers don't really ever have HIGH stats in any of those areas....but placing 44 Wards, buying 4 Pink Wards, helping get 4 out of 6 Drags, & clearing 7 Wards doesn't matter? I am just saying there can be things done about this so EVERYONE can climb SoloQ with the champs they actually want to & NOT just basically be forced to play Carries.

TheGrandAllianceJan 29, 20151 votes

Don't Play LoL between hours of 10:00-19:00 PST. Trolling on NA here is epic.
Don't Duo Query in Bronze unless you have jungler+top/mid combo and are able to make it happen. Else your teams will be too retarded for you to carry and your team will be disadvanatged as a result of your duo
Spam the shitusness out of teamchat. I am not just talking about "get dragon/bn" stuff Imean techincals as to where to go, what to attack, when to attack. IF you are support this can be easier to do. IF you have an Overpowering Ulti that is usless if not enaged in a team like make sure to call it out and give details. Learn to type fast.
Hope.