Look at the white knights go

EeliAzzer·Feb 22, 2019·71 votes·17,284 views

League of Legends: Riot Games Warn LCL's ROX for Banning 5 Support Champs in a Single Match

if people arent good enough to play lcs disregarding gender. DONT FUCKING GIVE THEM A TEAM.

79 Comments

DynikusFeb 22, 201969 votes

Stretching the game out to 2-52 is extremely excessive BM, they could have ended probably 15 minutes earlier. A warning for that is understandable as it serves to do nothing but humiliate the team. But getting a warning for target banning your enemy's most played champions? Sorry, what? It's not rox's fault that vaevictis chose to put 5 egirls on a pro team.

Also when teams like c9 5 man fountain dive to get 1 player a penta, riot is perfectly fine with that, even though it's undoubtedly "intentionally stretching out the match". The only reason it's not okay here is because it's an all female team. Interesting equality.

Papdi1Feb 22, 20194 votes

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DrCyanideFeb 22, 201923 votes

When you drag out a game needlessly It becomes a game of cat and mouse instead of a game of League of Legends. You know they can't do anything, you're just toying with them over and over. That's what makes it BM.

AIQFeb 22, 20195 votes

Not that I'm for the BMing, but the surrender vote still exist in pro games and had been used many times. When It was 2/30 maybe hit that FF to at least save your morale. Just an idea.

I do like some points about C9 though and stupid things players do that does drag out the game. While 2/52 is extreme, would this be as big an issue had it been male players? On top of that I personally think that one small good thing can be brought out from this. A barrier to entry being implemented based on skill. Pros that I've talked to have stated that coaches wont even look at you unless you are D1+. These girls are CLEARLY out of their league, and have no reason to be on that stage. Their skill is far inferior to the pros they are put against. Does that warrant disrespecting them? No. But Riot needs to keep this money/publicity grab from happen again.

I find it super disrespectful and sexist that players that are the same or lower rank than me are playing on stage due to being female, and I have no chance simply due to being a male. (But let's be honest who cares about that?) Doesn't have the same ring without the sarcastic voice. lol.

LazyW0lfFeb 22, 20194 votes

Riot probably incentivizes players to never surrender for entertainment value, but that's just my opinion.

Also, whereas C9 (or other teams for that matter) may drag out the game to play safe, Vega Squadron aced them multiple times and had clear opportunities to end the game. In any actual pro game, the nexus would've exploded a little over 20 minutes, maybe sooner. If you watch the game fully, they pass up easy baron takes for dragons 2 times (even the casters sound confused), don't push nexus towers during an ace, and specifically target the Karma player later in the game. Vega Squadron had all intentions of humiliation, therefore the punishment was justified. No matter what team did this, they would be punished for unsportsmanlike conduct.

Good things may come from this team, yes, but the actions of Vega Squadron are unjustified. ROX on the other hand is being punished for a strategic choice and played with competitive integrity, so idk why Riot made that punishment.

nGioFeb 22, 20192 votes

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When you drag out a game needlessly It becomes a game of cat and mouse instead of a game of League of Legends. You know they can't do anything, you're just toying with them over and over. That's what makes it BM.

If a team is getting shit stomped to that extreme, then they just don't belong there at a competitive level. If any other all male team got wrecked and embarrassed, no one would give a shit, but since it's women the SJWs are in a fucking frenzy. If women want to compete with men then bring it on, but don't cry when the showboating and end zone dances start popping off.

People are crying "they insulted these poor women", but I'm saying "they insulted these legit pros by putting them against such poor competition". Pro teams are comprised of the best players in the world. White, Asian, male, female, fat, skinny....they don't give a shit. They're just the best. A team that was built on being only women vs a team built on being dominant is a fucking joke. They tried to skate out a political movement team, and they ate a Full Counter.

DrCyanideFeb 23, 20191 votes

In the EU LCS a few years back a team got a warning/punishment for dragging out a game, and it was against a team of all guys. The ruling on that one is consistent - if you're a better team you can win like one without padding your KDA.

It's the other warning that I think is uncalled for, since it is inconsistent with the treatment that other teams have received.

I Spread CancerFeb 23, 20191 votes

If people are allowed to do that kind of BM in soloQ it should be acceptable in pro scene, random male stranger are not less human.

FrostfelFeb 22, 20196 votes

I agree that stretching out the match like that is disrespectful, so a warning there is understandable. But the bans, while odd, should not have been a warning.

I Spread CancerFeb 23, 20191 votes

They can just surrender, it's not disabled, they have just too much pride to do it.

Slack KingMar 3, 20192 votes

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Stretching the game out to 2-52 is extremely excessive BM, they could have ended probably 15 minutes earlier. A warning for that is understandable as it serves to do nothing but humiliate the team. But getting a warning for target banning your enemy's most played champions? Sorry, what? It's not rox's fault that vaevictis chose to put 5 egirls on a pro team.

Also when teams like c9 5 man fountain dive to get 1 player a penta, riot is perfectly fine with that, even though it's undoubtedly "intentionally stretching out the match". The only reason it's not okay here is because it's an all female team. Interesting equality.

They deserve to be humiliated, they are not pro level. This is a marketing stunt, and has a negative affect on actual women trying to get into pro play. Riot needs to get off this bs and remove the team all together

EchoZeeroFeb 22, 201930 votes

If team Vaevictis was comprised of solely midgets, would Rox get a warning for banning 5 yordles? This fukken PC safe space mentality is seriously going too far, it was a tactical choice that actually made sense.

Dr BirdieFeb 22, 20193 votes

First off, probably shouldn't use hate speech on the boards.

Secondly, yes they probably would get a warning. Just like they would if they banned all dark skinned champs against a team comprised of black players. It is obviously disrespectful and being disrespectful to your coworkers will get you a warning from HR in any work place.

MunchingDragonFeb 22, 201919 votes

Hate speech. HAH. Funny joke.

Dr BirdieFeb 22, 20192 votes

If you don't think using a derogatory term to refer to someone with a physical disability isn't hate speech I don't know how to help you

TheSingularityFeb 22, 20198 votes

He was using it as a classification. Dwarf, midget, short person. It is only derogatory if you make it so. In this case it was far from derogatory

SobxFeb 22, 20199 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Birdie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=J50MAbxr,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-22T15:10:11.847+0000)

First off, probably shouldn't use hate speech on the boards.

Secondly, yes they probably would get a warning. Just like they would if they banned all dark skinned champs against a team comprised of black players. It is obviously disrespectful and being disrespectful to your coworkers will get you a warning from HR in any work place.

Commenting on events and making actually a valid comparison isn't a "hate speech" just because it isn't patting everyone on their backs. When "X person" is playing badly, it's ok to say they're playing badly. Suddenly when "Y person" is playing badly, you're not allowed to say anything because you'll hide behind a hate speech? So if you target ban 5 top lane champs it's fine, but target ban 5 support champions (that are also played in other positions btw) and it's "disrespectful", "discriminating" or "hate speech"? That makes absolutely no sense and you don't understand what "equality" means, so maybe you should stop using it as an argument (or more of a way to shut down anything someone says when you disagree with it).

Just like they would if they banned all dark skinned champs against a team comprised of black players.

Make a team "comprised of black players"
Make sure they only grind dark skinned champions as their mains
Nobody can target ban them in pro play, because that's insensitive.

That's literally what you just said, buddy. Congrats.

Dr BirdieFeb 22, 20191 votes

Never said what they did was hate speech said what the person said that I'm replying to is. You know the part where they literally said a slur....

And as for the bans, the action itself is not inherently disrespectful, it was the intent that was.

SobxFeb 22, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Birdie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=J50MAbxr,comment-id=0005000000010000,timestamp=2019-02-22T23:29:59.727+0000)

Never said what they did was hate speech said what the person said that I'm replying to is. You know the part where they literally said a slur....

And as for the bans, the action itself is not inherently disrespectful, it was the intent that was.

I know that you were saying HIS message was an example of hatespeech. My point is that it was NOT hate speech. You answered to this post:

f team Vaevictis was comprised of solely midgets, would Rox get a warning for banning 5 yordles? This fukken PC safe space mentality is seriously going too far, it was a tactical choice that actually made sense.

Which part here is the "slur" you're talking about? Which part of it is "hate speech"?

You have no idea what their "intent" was and have no way to determine it even moreso when all of the enemy team frequently plays support picks. I also wrote about it here and I don't see the need to copy-paste the whole thing. Also you didn't really answer to my post and decided to take a huge shortcut, but w/e.

Iota ThetaFeb 22, 20194 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Birdie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=J50MAbxr,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2019-02-22T15:10:11.847+0000)

First off, probably shouldn't use hate speech on the boards.

Secondly, yes they probably would get a warning. Just like they would if they banned all dark skinned champs against a team comprised of black players. It is obviously disrespectful and being disrespectful to your coworkers will get you a warning from HR in any work place.

On the second point only:

No. It’s not the same. If I make a team of all top lane mains, and they get top laners banned against them, that would be the same scenario. In this instance, the banned champs were Janna, Lulu, Nami, Thresh, and Braum. So, beyond being all supports, against a team that is mostly support mains, what’s the actual issue here?

Dr BirdieFeb 22, 20191 votes

Because half of the champions they banned are not competitively viable and they only banned them in an attempt to be disrespectful by using the "women can only play support" meme.

SobxFeb 22, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dr Birdie,realm=NA,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=J50MAbxr,comment-id=0005000000020000,timestamp=2019-02-22T23:39:12.934+0000)

Because half of the champions they banned are not competitively viable and they only banned them in an attempt to be disrespectful by using the "women can only play support" meme.

It's not a meme when most of their team literally play support champions, but nice assumptions.

ReiizmFeb 23, 20191 votes

If team Vaevictis was comprised of solely midgets, would Rox get a warning for banning 5 yordles?

They absolutely would get a warning for banning 5 yordles against a team of midgets, what kind of question is this?

EchoZeeroFeb 23, 20191 votes

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They absolutely would get a warning for banning 5 yordles against a team of midgets, what kind of question is this?

But what if they were yordle mains?

AngelFrost00Feb 22, 201929 votes

Doesn't banning 5 support show that ROX know they're really good with these champions?

QuephaFeb 22, 20194 votes

Nami wasn't picked or banned in any other LCL match Janna wasn't picked or banned in any other LCL match Lulu was only picked a single time by Vaevictis, never banned

Claiming they spent the first 3 bans on a rare pocket pick and 2 hypothetical pocket picks instead of champions that are actually meta, strong, and common picks for Vaevictis either means you are dramatically misinformed or blatantly trying to mislead. It's actually disgusting to see someone like Thorin push this line of thought when, as an e-sports historian, he should know of times in the past when Riot has issued warnings for blatant BM'ing like this.

KüramaFeb 22, 20198 votes

Were they a team full of Support mains by chance?

HighwiseeneFeb 22, 20195 votes

Riven isn't really picked or banned in any NALCS match besides when viper is playing, and that's because he's damned good at that champion. Same with huhi and Asol. Some people are just really good at certain champions, so they get target banned, even if those champions aren't often picked in competitive.

QuephaFeb 22, 20192 votes

When there's a history of them using that champion really well in pro games. This is a new roster for Vaevictis, it doesn't make sense to target ban pocket picks that no one has actually ever seen over something that's Ban or Ban tier like Lucian was that week at LCL.

HighwiseeneFeb 22, 20194 votes

When there's a history of them using that champion really well in pro games.

Except viper drew riven bans in NA challenger before he brought it out on stage. Soloqueue performance and scrim results are also factors that players consider, not just pro games exclusively.

, it doesn't make sense to target ban pocket picks that no one has actually ever seen

Except they most definitely have seen it on their match histories as well as in scrims.

over something that's Ban or Ban tier like Lucian was that week at LCL.

Unless you know the people don't play those champions. There are countless times where teams leave picks up because they know a player won't pick that champion or won't play that champion well.

QuephaFeb 22, 20191 votes

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Unless you know the people don't play those champions. There are countless times where teams leave picks up because they know a player won't pick that champion or won't play that champion well.

Yeah it sure would look like it was a BM if the Vaevictis bot laner ended up picking Lucia-WOOPS THAT'S WHAT HAPPENED

HighwiseeneFeb 22, 20194 votes

Yeah? They also knew that they aren't going to do well enough on lucian to justify a ban. People do things like this all the time- if they know a player plays a specific style(let's say impact for example) they're not going to be scared to leave certain picks up because even if they do pick that pick it won't matter enough, because they either can't play it or it doesn't match the style they generally play. Impact generally plays exclusively tanks with the exception of GP when he was meta, so it didn't make sense to ban fiora against him when she was meta because he couldn't play her as well as he can play tanks, plus his team relied on his tank play. Even if fiora got picked it would gimp his team, plus he wouldn't make full use of fiora's potential since he can't play her as well as he can play tanks.

Stars ShaperFeb 22, 201926 votes

Just wait for when a team gets banned because they banned one of the girl's main picks.

Spooky SkeletonFeb 22, 201919 votes

So they put 5 support players on a team Then warn other teams NOT to ban 5 support champions?

Should we just give them the world cup in advance because "muh equality" or quadruple their points in any bracket they participate in?

DynikusFeb 22, 20199 votes

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or quadruple their points in any bracket they participate in?

4x0 is still 0 [slayer-jinx-wink]

IAintDariusFeb 22, 20192 votes

[{quoted}](name=Spooky Skeleton,realm=EUW,application-id=9hBQwnEU,discussion-id=J50MAbxr,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-02-22T14:28:26.433+0000)

Should we just give them the world cup in advance because "muh equality" or quadruple their points in any bracket they participate in?

Four times zero is still zero ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ

Edit: I should have clicked page two....

KennekyFeb 22, 201910 votes

I understand the punishment for intentionally making the match unnecessarily long, but I don't see a reason why there is punishment for banning only support champions. If the female team only plays support mainly, why are they there in the first place? For me it's more disrespectful that they are allowed to play in a professional environment, than picking people that actually can play all roles If needed.

Oh hey, they banned my favorite mid laner Neeko , better report them for "unsportsmanlike behaviour". Wait I'm a girl as well??? Because of that I am automatically right, right?

This whole situation is so damn stupid for me. Can't believe people find stuff like this offensive, it's just sad and funny.

HighwiseeneFeb 22, 20193 votes

This whole situation is so damn stupid for me. Can't believe people find stuff like this offensive, it's just sad and funny.

I don't think anyone really finds it offensive, it's just fake outrage to draw attention and make something look more relevant than it really is. You see this a lot on news and YouTube channels, but hey, it works so of course they're going to keep using it.

KennekyFeb 22, 20191 votes

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I don't think anyone really finds it offensive, it's just fake outrage to draw attention and make something look more relevant than it really is. You see this a lot on news and YouTube channels, but hey, it works so of course they're going to keep using it.

I guess you are right, I'm not denying that. Just for me it's stupid how much attention this whole situation got for what for really? I guess for clicks...

Warlord RhinarkFeb 22, 20199 votes

This is ~~America~~ Russia.

EeliAzzerFeb 22, 20191 votes

who mentioned country?

Warlord RhinarkFeb 22, 201912 votes

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who mentioned country?

Well, I did.

It was just a joke.

xxxDogmanxxxFeb 22, 20198 votes

I mean, I sorta agree with OP that Vaevictis shouldn't be putting up subpar players just because they're women, but fricking hell, I'd personally rather surrender than have to play a ridiculous 2:52 game regardless of which team I'm on. That's some tedious shit right there. You have to be purely vindictive and lacking professional courtesy to do this to an enemy team. This was pretty obvious BM on Rox's part, intentionally trying to humiliate them purely out of spite.

Iota ThetaFeb 22, 20198 votes

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I mean, I sorta agree with OP that Vaevictis shouldn't be putting up subpar players just because they're women, but fricking hell, I'd personally rather surrender than have to play a ridiculous 2:52 game regardless of which team I'm on. That's some tedious shit right there. You have to be purely vindictive and lacking professional courtesy to do this to an enemy team. This was pretty obvious BM on Rox's part, intentionally trying to humiliate them purely out of spite.

According to the article, the 2:52 match was another team, not Rox. Roc just got a warning for the 5 support bans.

IAintDariusFeb 22, 20197 votes

_Starting from this year, Vaevictis eSports has been participating in the LCL with only female players in their starting lineup. Vaevictis has also been the center of attention for their 2:52 kill point loss against Vega Squadron this split; Vega Squadron was warned alongside ROX by Riot for “intentionally stretching out” the match. _

I can't believe someone created a team whose most noticeable victories will come from getting others disqualified. How can anyone on/supporting that team read this article and not feel embarrassed.

ApollyonBainerFeb 23, 20191 votes

Woo 'femenism' and 'equal rights'. Thats a joke equal rights = superior treatment. If there was a team of women that could compete at a pro level that would be super. But if there isnt a female team that can compete at a pro level why on earth would you let them get curbstomped every game

DeleteSuppRoleFeb 22, 20197 votes

Ironically, this is actually discrimination against males, an "unqualified all female team" being allowed to play in the LCL just because it's "females" further proves how sexist and discriminating is this and other industries are towards males, if this was a regular male team with equal skill level it wouldn't have been allowed t join, women privileges ladies and gentlemen

NemeBroFeb 22, 20194 votes

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Ironically, this is actually discrimination against males, an "unqualified all female team" being allowed to play in the LCL just because it's "females" further proves how sexist and discriminating is this and other industries are towards males, if this was a regular male team with equal skill level it wouldn't have been allowed t join, women privileges ladies and gentlemen

No, they met the requirements for entering professional play, albeit the low-end requirements that no one else hires for because they want teams who can actually win.

You're objectively wrong on this and have a victim complex, don't bother responding because nothing I said is arguable.

Also, ROX shouldn't have been punished at all. Five support mains get five support champions banned. Whoopty doo.

DeleteSuppRoleFeb 22, 20194 votes

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No, they met the requirements for entering professional play, albeit the low-end requirements that no one else hires for because they want teams who can actually win.

You're objectively wrong on this and have a victim complex, don't bother responding because nothing I said is arguable.

Also, ROX shouldn't have been punished at all. Five support mains get five support champions banned. Whoopty doo.

Don't bother responding ? lol you're so full of yourself man

the low-end requirements that no one else hires for

and they were hired because they were women.

also yes the ROX team shouldn't have been punished, it is unjustified and unfair, they should ban whoever they want, also the reason i think they banned all supports wasn't because the girls mained supports either way Rox would've stomped regardless of who they banned it's because team siren V2 wasn't really a threat to them so they were messing around with the bans because it wouldn't have mattered.

NSFWaifusFeb 22, 20193 votes

I mean seems like a publicity stunt to have an all girl team. I'm all for girls being in the LCS but why does it have to be an all girl team and not just a couple of good female players on different teams? Idk seems kinda silly, entire thing really. R E S P E C T W A M E N.