I think we have a new throw of the century
Wow Elements, that was just a colossal mistake.
Poor Froggen, he looked so crushed. :(
Wow Elements, that was just a colossal mistake.
Poor Froggen, he looked so crushed. :(
no joke, everything up until the last 5 minutes was business as usual, tiny bit of sloppiness here and there but overall no real doubts how it should close, then one steal, and the mother of all tilts from Elements
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm pretty confident that Elements didn't so much lose the game (although the throws were real) as much as it was Fr3deric keeping Giants in it. From the early gank giving Pepi first blood to the great vision control throughout the game to that epic Baron steal towards the end. That's the first time in a while that I've seen a jungler carry a game, and Fr3deric played it as flawlessly as Froggen (perhaps even more so).
LoL yes was about to make a post about this myself.
Elements... in the last 5 matches of losses: Even if they get ahead they just hide for some reason.
They need to take their massive gold lead and siege.... Team Alliance/Elements was made LCS championship-worthy team in previous seasons because they were experts in tower sieges (and siege defense). Now they just run around/hide the entire match waiting for dragons just like Bronze Solo Q teams do.
Until they man up and fight they are gonna throw games to the enemy one after another.
Note: Adding kevin was a bad idea... his TP into the bot lane is actually what threw the game in the first place.... should have cancled or not tp'ed in first place. If ahri/lee/lissandra were still alive they may have been able to defend the nexus turrets.
BAN KEVIN THE BRONZE SCRUB!
LoL yes was about to make a post about this myself.
Elements... in the last 5 matches of losses: Even if they get ahead they just hide for some reason.
They need to take their massive gold lead and siege.... Team Alliance/Elements was made LCS championship-worthy team in previous seasons because they were experts in tower sieges (and siege defense). Now they just run around/hide the entire match waiting for dragons just like Bronze Solo Q teams do.
Until they man up and fight they are gonna throw games to the enemy one after another.
Note: Adding kevin was a bad idea... his TP into the bot lane is actually what threw the game in the first place.... should have cancled or not tp'ed in first place. If ahri/lee/lissandra were still alive they may have been able to defend the nexus turrets.
BAN KEVIN THE BRONZE SCRUB!
I agree with most of this. When they get ahead they still play passive. They usually end up starving their opponents with their passivity by not giving up as many picks and taking safe dragons. They don't really exert as much pressure as they could. Eventhough they were still getting wins playing like this, I think the flaws in this playstyle were evident in their first match with ROCCAT.
I do think Kev1n's tp was the finishing blow to the game, but I don't think it was his individual play that cost them the game. Most of his tp's were solid, and he seemed to play the Liss pick pretty well with maybe some slight overagression. However, I think his aggression is something Alliance needs (notice he was the one starting most of the fights) to escape some of their passive play, but they need effective communication for plays like that. Overall, I think it was the shotcalling that cost them the game. That and massive capitalization by the Giants. They punished Alliance so well for those two mistakes, and turned a sure loss into a major comeback victory.
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I agree with most of this. When they get ahead they still play passive. They usually end up starving their opponents with their passivity by not giving up as many picks and taking safe dragons. They don't really exert as much pressure as they could. Eventhough they were still getting wins playing like this, I think the flaws in this playstyle were evident in their first match with ROCCAT.
I do think Kev1n's tp was the finishing blow to the game, but I don't think it was his individual play that cost them the game. Most of his tp's were solid, and he seemed to play the Liss pick pretty well with maybe some slight overagression. However, I think his aggression is something Alliance needs (notice he was the one starting most of the fights) to escape some of their passive play, but they need effective communication for plays like that. Overall, I think it was the shotcalling that cost them the game. That and massive capitalization by the Giants. They punished Alliance so well for those two mistakes, and turned a sure loss into a major comeback victory.
LOL fair enough...I may have gotten a bit carried away in that first post.
What broke me on Kevin, other then the tp, was him losing top lane due to walking into the bush and being ganked by reksai+gnar... IDK I am a spectator so perhaps it is unfair advatange alas that was just a noobish move right here lol
BTW the former top laner used to play
far better then kevin... The reason he got kicked out was poor back-to-back performances on other top laners such as
.
In other words: Bring back Wickd, make him use
, get him to train on an alt (not the above ones), and everything should be fine.
that wasn't a throw, it was all luck. Those kind of steals aren't reliable, fred had like a .1 milisecond to get that smite off before he got deleted. Bot lane was pushed almost halfway out with a massive minion wave, with the baron buff Giant's had a huge ad advantage and caught 2 of elements players out and pushed. If that smite didn't hit exactly at that time with that much damage they wouldn't have got it, if there wasn't a massve wave bot they wouldn't have gotten to the nexus. Watched the last part of the match twice, it was like AERIS GODESS OF CHAOS AND DISCORD, went straight for Elements and stole their victory.
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that wasn't a throw, it was all luck. Those kind of steals aren't reliable, fred had like a .1 milisecond to get that smite off before he got deleted. Bot lane was pushed almost halfway out with a massive minion wave, with the baron buff Giant's had a huge ad advantage and caught 2 of elements players out and pushed. If that smite didn't hit exactly at that time with that much damage they wouldn't have got it, if there wasn't a massve wave bot they wouldn't have gotten to the nexus. Watched the last part of the match twice, it was like AERIS GODESS OF CHAOS AND DISCORD, went straight for Elements and stole their victory.
The "thow" was the TP in by Keven and the failure for the ADC/Support (reckkles/nymph) to fall back.
Apparently Nymph is shotcalling... and doing a bad job of that. How was it a throw by Elements?
Nymph appears to have called for turret defense on bot lane... that's why the inc TP came in... however they were massively outmatched and out of position and that should never have happened. Had they played normally they probably would have been able to counter just fine otherwise.