regarding poaching

purrrf3ction·Dec 19, 2015·1 votes·1,031 views

in regards to poaching why not make the contracts only a year long and switch members each year? since contracts are not being held even in regards to being signed i think being fined is not going to be as effective as withdrawing all money funded by league towards the team/coaches/members who poach so there is more obligations to respecting anti poaching policies if caught i am not sure about the role of sponsors so i am not speaking on behalf of sponsors i am saying from riot side since they are the people who verify if a team is valid or not what my suggestion of switching teams and members each year is similar to in college or in school during career day you go to the gym whatever and there are schools you want to apply to, etc you go to a school you prefer and it is up to the school (or in this case the team) if they want to sign a contract with you this could eliminate people from poaching to waiting a year when the contract ends since most players sign more than year since poaching exists i think this kind of system would eliminate urges of poaching since it is up to the team to make the final call on what players play sadly i think it would be a lot more pressure on the players but poaching is also a lot of pressure on the player so im sorry this is the best solution i think maximizes for the amount of freedom and equality i think is the fairest for any sponsor, fantasy league, players, teams, and coaches it kind of contradicts the current system but i think it could eliminate poaching this new system could also make fantasy league much more interesting and worth much more research instead of just studying a team in a way, they would have to look at more of an individual such as baseball cards, etc housing could be like how current job offers are such as giving a certain amount of salary and you pick your own housing or the company helps you with your housing and less salary given since stock options are unavailable at riot i think currently but im not sure i just recently gotten into league but i saw on someones stream about the current problems facing pain gaming and also found an article on league regarding chris so im assuming it is an ongoing problem so i am raising this topic and these suggestions and hopefully it helps you guys out not saying to implement these right away but please consider my ideas as a possibility to eliminate any problems facing this beautiful game i wish you guys luck positive or negative feedback greatly encouraged friendly educational debates always brighten up my day haha

disclaimer: i am not a riot employee, i just love this game and the structure and the community it is brilliant lets keep it alive and well as long as possible

12 Comments

Ale non è maleDec 23, 20152 votes

Because it does not make sense at all? An org want to have the chance to plan for the future, and know that you can have a player under contract for more than 1 year allow them to have a certain security in building the team brand around your iconic players and build gradually a roster that can go up in the standings

Riot has yet put a limit on maximum contract length, so there isn't even a problem of players being locked up to a team for super long time and being stuck with those contracts

The poaching matters a lot because it can potentially damage every one on the scene, so "solve" the problem by implementing a terribad system does not solve anything really

purrrf3ctionDec 23, 20151 votes

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Because it does not make sense at all? An org want to have the chance to plan for the future, and know that you can have a player under contract for more than 1 year allow them to have a certain security in building the team brand around your iconic players and build gradually a roster that can go up in the standings

Riot has yet put a limit on maximum contract length, so there isn't even a problem of players being locked up to a team for super long time and being stuck with those contracts

The poaching matters a lot because it can potentially damage every one on the scene, so "solve" the problem by implementing a terribad system does not solve anything really

i am saying shorten the years on the contract so there is less desire to actually poach i dont think you understood what i was saying 1.less time on the contracts 2.heavier penalties not just 1/10th of the prize money but if poaching is not that important like in pro sports then it doesnt really matter if you watch football/basketball its like....they switch during before and after season so like idk i just figured it was causing problems so before esports becomes pro i was thinking maybe they want to try something out but idk

Ale non è maleDec 23, 20152 votes

Still, it does not have sense. C9 has all the rights to build their brand around a guy that is both very good at playing and is also a memeing and advertising asset like Sneaky, by locking him in for multiple seasons on his contract

The max length of contract if I remember correctly is 3 years, and most of the contracts don't get that far as the longer one generally last 2 years max, how can you reduce further contract length without hampering the possibility for teams to grow their own brand and their own gamestyle sto succeed?

Poaching is harshly punished, actually, a brazilian team will be forced to forfeit ALL the prize money they'll get in next split because of a poaching issue (not 1/10 of the prize money, ALL of it)

purrrf3ctionDec 24, 20151 votes

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Still, it does not have sense. C9 has all the rights to build their brand around a guy that is both very good at playing and is also a memeing and advertising asset like Sneaky, by locking him in for multiple seasons on his contract

The max length of contract if I remember correctly is 3 years, and most of the contracts don't get that far as the longer one generally last 2 years max, how can you reduce further contract length without hampering the possibility for teams to grow their own brand and their own gamestyle sto succeed?

Poaching is harshly punished, actually, a brazilian team will be forced to forfeit ALL the prize money they'll get in next split because of a poaching issue (not 1/10 of the prize money, ALL of it)

i think the contract still depends on the individual however if i was a player and i was getting approached by different teams with better offers and the penatly is not that high i would still change contracts due to personal reasons i was not aware they had to forfeit all of the prize money already thank you for informing and i apologize for any misinformation i have posted the only things i found was the chris situation thank you again for infmoring me the reason for shorter contracts is to eliminate the need to poach before 2-3 years if that makes sense but thank you for letting me know they had to forfeit all the prize money i noticed a lot of the problems in league recently have all been money related

Ale non è maleDec 24, 20152 votes

Again, in the most recent cases (TDK case, brazilian team case, and such) the penalty has been high, and teams to approach you before you are a free agent must ask permission to your org's management - which thing has been debated a lot because it limits some polayer choices and could give to shady orgs too much power -

The fact is, you should find the best solution to give power to both sides, but shortening player contract lenghts give 0 power to orgs, imho

purrrf3ctionDec 24, 20151 votes

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Again, in the most recent cases (TDK case, brazilian team case, and such) the penalty has been high, and teams to approach you before you are a free agent must ask permission to your org's management - which thing has been debated a lot because it limits some polayer choices and could give to shady orgs too much power -

The fact is, you should find the best solution to give power to both sides, but shortening player contract lenghts give 0 power to orgs, imho

it gives org more power in a way since the org doesnt have to approach them anymore its up to the players responsibillty to approach the org and for the org to choose who they want to hire i apologize for any confusing in what i wrote haha its a rough draft in the making T^T thank you for letting me know though and not being toxic that is greatly appreciated thank you again btw that means a lot

Ale non è maleDec 24, 20152 votes

I don't get how org would get more power, though

An org that picked up a rejected player or a unknown player and grow them up in a good player only to see them leave because they are approached by a richer or more competitive org won't benefit at all from it

An org should be able to invest on the mid/long term on a talented guy, and if the bet is successful they can build a brand around him Or an org should be able to retain their players and build an in game synergy between their players that give them a competitive advantage if they want

P.S. I don't get why someone should automatically be toxic in a discussion when you don't agree with someone else opinion. You should just explain your reasoning about why you don't agree and everything is fine

purrrf3ctionDec 25, 20151 votes

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I don't get how org would get more power, though

An org that picked up a rejected player or a unknown player and grow them up in a good player only to see them leave because they are approached by a richer or more competitive org won't benefit at all from it

An org should be able to invest on the mid/long term on a talented guy, and if the bet is successful they can build a brand around him Or an org should be able to retain their players and build an in game synergy between their players that give them a competitive advantage if they want

P.S. I don't get why someone should automatically be toxic in a discussion when you don't agree with someone else opinion. You should just explain your reasoning about why you don't agree and everything is fine

currently players are approached by teams if they change every year then that means the players would have to approach the teams like current sports the players approach the teams not the teams seek out the players and i agree with that too thats why i was so grateful you were so polite haha thank you again btw i agree with everything you are saying thats why i think its the money so the prize pool was a good idea i wasnt aware so thank you for informing me i hope it works haha

Ale non è maleDec 25, 20152 votes

In current sports it is still teams that approach players, eh..better, they approach the players's agents

purrrf3ctionDec 27, 20151 votes

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In current sports it is still teams that approach players, eh..better, they approach the players's agents

for good player for the players that are not that good they have to approach the teams thats why there is recruitment i use to compete swimming so i understand from an athletes point

B00B00Dec 23, 20151 votes

they just need a flat fine (say $50.000) for organisations that poach, with when player aquired has a 1month ''cooling off'' period before he can be played in any riot sponsored competition (or she) and this should help stop it.

but poachbing is done in all sports of a competitive nature and is tough to approach. leagues new-enough to put their foot down, alternatly it also creates rivalry's, topics, articles and publicity in the esports scene so....its a taboo topic.

purrrf3ctionDec 23, 20151 votes

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they just need a flat fine (say $50.000) for organisations that poach, with when player aquired has a 1month ''cooling off'' period before he can be played in any riot sponsored competition (or she) and this should help stop it.

but poachbing is done in all sports of a competitive nature and is tough to approach. leagues new-enough to put their foot down, alternatly it also creates rivalry's, topics, articles and publicity in the esports scene so....its a taboo topic.

that is the current ruling and it has not worked is why i suggested something completely diffrent if it worked i wouldnt have even made the post haha for official sports people are paid by the millions so they dont usually do anything until either in the middle of the season or whatever but reallly it doesnt even affect the real gameplay unlike league i guess but idk the official sports leagues are a lot differen than esports unless they wanted it to be the same then nvm but i think keeping it seperate will make esports more interesting since its like something different but i undersetand but the thing is i think anyone who does not hold out their contract to the fullest extent should be punished in the most severe way possible is what i was trying to get at haha most sports contract is how long they play not based on what team they play for i think since they are alwasy trading players i think during the season personally i think poaching does not even matter since as long as they are playing the game i dont see why it matter since it makes fantasy league just that much more unpredictable tbh but idk i think league should be more like official sporst in the way that they are viewed as an individual since the players in official sporst are always switching teams so its more based on personal abilities rather than the team viewed as a whole

but professional sports the players dont live together i dont think they are given a salary and they find their own housing i think idk