Final 5th game bjergsen ult with syndra 2 players, why no remake?

SîlentStorm·Apr 24, 2017·2 votes·4,323 views

Why cloud9 didnt ask for remake? 5 balls hit smoothie, 4 balls hit jensen (they delete 1st post cuz it was posted in wrong discussion)

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BreakuApr 24, 20179 votes

The general policy is to not remake for known bugs that aren't exploitable.

There is a mechanic and a bug at work here. The mechanic is targeted ability resetting: If an enemy becomes invalid when the ability is 'targeting' (but hasn't fired), it will reset to full (because it has no idea what happened in the game state). This is true of all targeted abilities, and it is an extremely small window to doing it (to the point it's impossible to try and scum it). The bug is Syndra's 'multi-target' ultimate bug when her ultimate resets against enemies with untargetability. When you fire upon an enemy, have her ultimate reset, then fire on another enemy, the ultimate will fire into the enemy, then some spheres will selectively re-direct to another target (often the one who caused the original reset). This bug was fixed in the next patch (LCS isn't playing on it).

SîlentStormApr 24, 20171 votes

Thx for your post.

5kullMay 18, 20171 votes

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The general policy is to not remake for known bugs that aren't exploitable. The mechanic is targeted ability resetting: If an enemy becomes invalid when the ability is 'targeting' (but hasn't fired), it will reset to full (because it has no idea what happened in the game state). This is true of all targeted abilities, and it is an extremely small window to doing it (to the point it's impossible to try and scum it). The bug is Syndra's 'multi-target' ultimate bug when her ultimate resets against enemies with untargetability. When you fire upon an enemy, have her ultimate reset, then fire on another enemy, the ultimate will fire into the enemy, then some spheres will selectively re-direct to another target (often the one who caused the original reset). This bug was fixed in the next patch (LCS isn't playing on it).

so essentially, since the bug is practically impossible to cause purposefully, and didnt actually effect the fight (did minimal damage) no one on the team cared

anonymous119Apr 24, 20174 votes

They only do remakes for game breaking bugs. The separate server/patches on the tournament realm where the pros play tends to result in a surprising number of small bugs in most games.

This is the clip of what happened.

https://clips.twitch.tv/CleverEvilEggnogJKanStyle

The syndra ult did not do full damage to both targets, but the orbs were split to who ever was closest between the two targets. Yes, this was a known bug that is fixed on live, but the tournament realm is played on an earlier patch where it isn't.

However, the bug had essentially no impact on the game. Smoothie the person targeted by the ult would have died regardless of the bug and jensen lived through that entire fight not coming close to dying.

SîlentStormApr 24, 20172 votes

But if that bug was known, why they didnt disable syndra and fix it asap fo the turnament?

GULAG 4 UApr 24, 20172 votes

Because it wouldn't have done anything either way.

Miror BApr 24, 20171 votes

I actually heavily disagree with that idea. If the bug was on say something like Aurelion Sol (two characters the teams barely play at all), then it wouldn't have warranted this kind of thing. The fact the bug not just happened on the most popular midlaner right now, but one with few actual counters and being played by two of the best three players on their respective teams could have entirely changed the series. Not saying C9 would've won, but it would have made the series far different if that hotly-contested pick was gone.

Kings AvatarApr 26, 20172 votes

you cant do the bug on purpose, so it can be exploited. also the only time it happned it didnt matter. c9 won the fight. with or without ekko having an extra 400hp

Kal Vas FlamApr 26, 20171 votes

I really don't like that explanation because Jensen was full health and probably would have dove and killed Bjerg if not for the bug (especially with his ult being down now). I mean, regardless of what all happened afterward, I'm just saying it ruined the play for C9 and in many cases that's enough to call for a remake.

Kings AvatarApr 26, 20172 votes

it didnt though, bjerg died, they got turret.

ContaminatorApr 26, 20172 votes

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I really don't like that explanation because Jensen was full health and probably would have dove and killed Bjerg if not for the bug (especially with his ult being down now). I mean, regardless of what all happened afterward, I'm just saying it ruined the play for C9 and in many cases that's enough to call for a remake.

If Bjerg's ult was down, Jensen woulda dove anyways cuz he's bad. Do you not remember his first Ekko game where he dove at full health and died? Psychology is a factor in that level of play and he probly thought the same thing would happen even without Bjerg's ult. TSM won and destroyed the first 2 games, they deserved the series and made fewer mistakes, like that dive and that shitter Rank 1 top laner hitting the blast fruit. If that's not enough for you stay salty I guess cuz it's over

cannonFireApr 27, 20171 votes

lol so half a health bar on 2 champions is not full damage? Definitely is. They easily could of justified disabling Syndra for the finals for this bug considering they have disabled other champs in pro games for visual bugs. Disregarding TSM being the better team at the moment, not having syndra threw all the finals games would of had a big impact. Its no exploitable so I could understand them not disabling her too, but don't try to play it off like she didn't legit ult 2 champions with one ultimate.

MysterQApr 24, 20173 votes

Anything to give TSM the win.

ContaminatorApr 26, 20171 votes

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Anything to give TSM the win.

Stay salty C9 fanboy, always 2nd place :^)

smellycooterApr 27, 20172 votes

Stay awful TSM fans, make sure everyone knows you're superior to them cause you follow the highest ranked team in NA but have literally no impact on how the team performs.

EndlessSorcererApr 24, 20172 votes

There are several probable reasons that C9 didn't ask for a remake (all of which may be a factor).

[1] C9 didn't notice the bug occur during the game.

[2] The occurrence of the bug wasn't an issue (they still won the fight, took the tower and Ekko was fine to kill someone else shortly afterwards before recalling).

[3] C9 had an advantage in the game and didn't want to lose it in the event of a remake.

AFAIK, they didn't disabled Syndra because of how specific the bug is. It is very difficult to trigger during a game (especially intentionally) due to the situation and timing.