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Can you guys imagine watching LCS like this?

BRUCE McHUGE··61 votes·3,678 views

With no come back mechanics. Every game is a 15 minute stomp, no competition at all...

Fucking boring...

55 Comments

YCitizenSnipsY21 votes

Good thing the LCS isn't coming back for like another month and a half when this patch will be long forgotten. Also LCS teams aren't solo que teams and don't make mistakes that would decide the game in 15 minutes, none of the ones worth watching anyway.

BRUCE McHUGE13 votes

Did you watch LCS at all last season? Almost every best of 5 was a 3-0 with teams snowballing out of control. That was BEFORE Riot wanted to play with making the game even more snowbally.

YCitizenSnipsY3 votes

Apparently you didn't because most of the finals in EU and NA as well as the gantlets in both regions went a minimum of 4 games. And I still don't know why you think the games would be decided at 15 mins, because the standard score at 15 is usually 0-0 with at most a 2k gold advantage to which ever team picked up the first dragon.

Also plenty of people complained about the quality of the LCS last season and there were more games that lagged on for 40-50 minutes throughout spring and summer.

Cerbearus5 votes

Watch MSI games. Please tell me about how those were all stomps.

Yosuke Apperu1 votes

This was also before Fiora and the juggernauts :P

AngryScrub1 votes

Cloud9 says hello.

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

I think that's true to a large extent, but I remember a lot of those one sided games being fairly drawn out given how big the advantage was. I mean a lot of the 3-0 matches were bc one team was just clearly better than the other and in 100 games would maybe drop 5 or 10 to the weaker team. Except games that the lead was so obscene most people would say you could have just /ff them 10 min before they ended bc you already knew the result, most of the games that had a clear lead were still played in a fairly conservative manner by the winning team and they were just really slow even in games that weren't close.

Don't get me wrong, crazy come backs like Fnatic vs AHQ are amazing (or the UOL playoff game where they started playing the end of the game music before UOL killed their opponents and managed to stall it out for 1 more team fight). However, I think it's a situation of taking the good w/ the bad on either side, and I'd bet in really close match ups they still go long and give us some amazing games, albeit with a couple less amazing come backs probably.

TurquoiseYoshi2 votes

Except we have IEM.

RIP IEM balance.

YCitizenSnipsY1 votes

IEM doesn't even really matter, So many teams that are going there from worlds aren't even going to be playing to their fullest. FNC dropped out, OG is starting a Sub mid. TSM has a brand new Roster and CLG has made some big changes too. This tournament wont really even be that competitive if the game was still on the juggernaut patch.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

I mean the ones after this. This one is on 5.21, but there is still Cologne in December.

SirNewton125 votes

I hope you realize this is the preseason and it will be fixed... Even though there will be some champions more powerful than others riot always makes it so there is a way to counter them and them not being too strong. (Except for Darius... got 2 pentas in the LCS o.O)

BRUCE McHUGE4 votes

I DO realize that. But Riot is showing their intentions with these preseason changes. They obviously WANT the games to snowball out of control. Why else would they experiment like this?

I can't fathom why they want games to be even more snowbally and not give teams that are behind a chance to come back.

Valenten1 votes

I dont think they WANT games to be this snowbally. They expected people to play the same way they did last season instead of going kill hungry like people have. If people played how they did last season the games wouldnt be nearly as snowbally.

GreeNz1 votes

with the right plays and team cooperation, you can overcome losing hard early game, and make a come back :)Jinx

Spacesuit Spiff1 votes

Show me what they introduced that was meant to cause this snowballing? Pretty sure its just an unintended consequence of the million other changes

Baculus2 votes

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I hope you realize this is the preseason and it will be fixed... Even though there will be some champions more powerful than others riot always makes it so there is a way to counter them and them not being too strong. (Except for Darius... got 2 pentas in the LCS o.O)

not if Riot was convinced this was acceptable despite people on the PBE making it clear that the entire thing was terrible.

Wehner4 votes

Dunkey said it best; "professional League of Legends has nothing to do with real League of Legends". Keep in mind that professionals play on a whole different level, and the changes make for interesting and exciting new things to look out for no matter how broken the game may be or how silly of a state the game is in. Also, keep in mind that this is only the preseason and things are likely to be balanced out before the ranked season starts up, so it'll be okay.

Zedex2 votes

Not sure if anyone cares what that whiney little bitch has for an opinion.

alasarcher2 votes

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With no come back mechanics. Every game is a 15 minute stomp, no competition at all...

Fucking boring...

Ye, cuz we all want 40 mins of watching them go arround putting wards and poking each other, waiting one team fight and game over?

BRUCE McHUGE5 votes

We want competition. We want teams to be able to go back and forth and close games. Who likes watching stomps?

alasarcher2 votes

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We want competition. We want teams to be able to go back and forth and close games. Who likes watching stomps?

U mean who likes fast paced games, with alot of fights, new tactics used, early team fights, new objective fights? EVERYONE?!

BRUCE McHUGE4 votes

There's not gonna be a lot of fights. One team will get an advantage and just smash the other team. It'll just be one sided slaughters if there's no way for teams come back if they're behind.

KatCraft1 votes

You vastly overrate the comeback potential in competitive games. Professional league often gets decided by the first team fight and early leads. Because they know how to hold onto them unlike solo que players because they don't have half the co ordination.

In pro LoL, if one team feeds early there is little to no comeback potential. Not even SKT could come back and win a game they gave 4 early kills away to a team they were clearly superior than in the finals.

What weaker towers do accomplish is weaken turtle and stalling. This is a positive thing.

NostolgicSkies1 votes

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Ye, cuz we all want 40 mins of watching them go arround putting wards and poking each other, waiting one team fight and game over?

but you'll watch a ref reset a ball every 2 minutes in football? for what feels like 2-3 hours

alasarcher1 votes

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but you'll watch a ref reset a ball every 2 minutes in football? for what feels like 2-3 hours

There is no resetting ball in football. Unless you mean that rugby version they call football in murica

t0ad51 votes

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but you'll watch a ref reset a ball every 2 minutes in football? for what feels like 2-3 hours

Neither. Both are boring.

prozak822 votes

at least we wont have to suffer through a 45 minute game when you know whos gonna win after 15 minutes

Hyrum Graff2 votes

It's almost like the preseason is for trying things out that would be too dangerous to do during the normal season. -.-

More seriously: yes, I've read your comments throughout the thread. Just because the changes Riot is trying out had the effect of making the game more snowbally (not to mention, the mass confusion during the preseason makes games more snowbally all on its own), doesn't meant that they want the game to snowball harder. For example, here's the only context (patch notes) we have for the tower changes:

Take down an outer early enough and you'll be able to put meaningful damage on the next (or even take it outright!) before it can fortify if your opponent isn't respecting your demolition power.

To me, that seems like they're interested in giving laners an incentive to take towers and keep pushing, instead of just sitting back and starving the enemy team until you have a huge gold advantage.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

To me, that seems like they're interested in giving laners an incentive to take towers and keep pushing, instead of just sitting back and starving the enemy team until you have a huge gold advantage.

just that fast-push has been a sucessfull tactic over the past years already - and if they make their changes to minions come true the already strong advantage will turn insurmountable very fast in pro-play, as you´ll just fall behind on rotations very fast if you´re constantly busy dealing with minions.

Nahara2 votes

puts on flame-proof suit

It'll make SKT games even MORE boring to watch.

The Loveless1 votes

watch highlights like me

Verxint2 votes

It's almost like it's between competitive seasons so they can make big changes to the game without LCS fallout.

Lintu Puck1 votes

is everyone just having a shit week and unable to leap at chances to turn things around? I've had a good share of close back-and-forth matches, even at times where teammates complain and want to give in.

Valenten1 votes

Everyone now days is instant gratification. If they give first blood they want to surrender cause they dont want to try to get a win they would rather just try a new game and win that way.

Baculus1 votes

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Everyone now days is instant gratification. If they give first blood they want to surrender cause they dont want to try to get a win they would rather just try a new game and win that way.

No. It's literally that first blood usually makes games unwinnable.

Valenten1 votes

thats what people said last season and that was wrong then to.

Baculus1 votes

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thats what people said last season and that was wrong then to.

For a while, toplane, that was completely true.

Valenten1 votes

So what you are saying is that the balance of power has shifted from top lane to bot lane. People were asking for adc buffs so they got adc buffs and people are surprised at the out come lol

Baculus1 votes

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So what you are saying is that the balance of power has shifted from top lane to bot lane. People were asking for adc buffs so they got adc buffs and people are surprised at the out come lol

"People asked for ADC buffs" is true. But see, in a competently made game... 'buffs' or making a character interesting does not equate to breaking the game. Not like it matters; top lane is jst the same level of problematic. It's back to 1 kill = GG for the lane.

If you haven't noticed this then you just haven't played yet.

IcyPepper1 votes

This is why they do these kind of changes in the preseason.

They know they fucked up, they knew they were going to fuck up, so they did it when there's no competitive play at the time (aka: preseason).

Let's be real, with these radical changes do you think they were going to be balanced in the numbers department (and so on) right out of the gate?

regigigus03031 votes

I'm pretty sure they'll work on a few things by the time LCS comes back live. Even though you're right about the 15 minute stomps being in the LCS it still leaves LCS teams to try new things and play in a way that stomps don't happen, therefore different comps, different playstyles, etc.

Earl Eulrich1 votes

well yea, and then add the winnions to come ontop - they´re really about to kill esports after investing so much for making it a thing in the first place.

Stars Shaper1 votes

That might actually force teams not to fck up in order to win. I'd watch some.

longnecksam1 votes

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longnecksam2 votes

ugh, I just noticed how disgusting it is too spam that without his cigar. FeelsBadMan

Captainn Ginyu1 votes

idk iv snowballed games and still lost them acuse the other team turrned it around some how

Speedphoenix1 votes

the "15 minutes thing" actually doesn't work in <gold3 games people don't focus objectives enough HOWEVER games ARE decided very early

Platvek1 votes

Olaf - Not like this

T RexHasTinyArms1 votes

Dude it's gonna be kind of awesome imo. I've played 2-3 40+ min games and a half dozen 30s. I think a lot of ques are unbalanced right now w/ people swapping up what mode they're playing and messing w/ mmr. I think if the teams are a bit more balanced they will be really tense matches where no one gives up a big advantage, and when one team is much stronger they can punish the enemy and end fast. If it's a match up like SKT vs Dig or something really one sided, I'd rather see it be over faster and just a crazy display of force rather than a team that's got a huge advantage and is going to very slowly strangle out the enemy to avoid being punished by overly generous mechanics that favor a losing team.

I'm all for being able to come back, but if it's really one sided I'd rather it be a bit easier to close out than it was last season.

t0ad51 votes

People still watch this stuff?

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