really thought sneaky would be on this top 20 list

177A Bleecker St·Sep 27, 2015·3 votes·1,458 views

i can see him being on the list anymore in top 8, but i think hes way better than doubleift, i feel like they had to put doubleift on the list tho.

15 Comments

rjdude31Sep 27, 20153 votes

FUcking C9 fans thinking sneaky is good. Ur team sucks and doublelift wrecks sneaky. You are the only people in the world who thinks sneaky is better than doublelfit. Literally nobody else. Get your head out of your ass.

The LexerSep 27, 20152 votes

lol. The only reason DL is as good as he is is because Aprhomoo is a god

PsykohSep 27, 20151 votes

Doublelift was making highlight reel plays when sneaky was still in school sit down

TheSequelsRBadSep 27, 20152 votes

I believe Sneaky is better than doublelift, but they are close and Doublelift barely made it in. So I guess they just put in the adc of the team that has a better chance on the whole. I still think Sneaky should be on the list.

xJLx MCHammerSep 27, 20152 votes

Sneaky is better than dl.

But c9 is in a bad group, there won't be w chance for them to shine like CLG has.

Ale non è maleSep 28, 20151 votes

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Sneaky is better than dl.

But c9 is in a bad group, there won't be w chance for them to shine like CLG has.

This.

PoisonedTeaSep 28, 20152 votes

Sneaky is the best ADC in the west. but sneaky is not on the best team in the west or even NA.

daniellizardSep 27, 20151 votes

Imo, Doublelift is better than Sneaky, although they are quite close, therefore that's why Sneaky isn't on the list.

177A Bleecker StSep 27, 20151 votes

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Imo, Doublelift is better than Sneaky, although they are quite close, therefore that's why Sneaky isn't on the list.

i really disagree with that, doublelifts whole team was good, but c9 really only had sneaky, and he carried c9 in the gauntlet. I think doublelift is a toxic trashy player just imo

OHminusSep 27, 20151 votes

I completely disagree with this top 20 players list and believe it's too biased towards NA. How the hell are Bjergsen and DL on this list? Honestly... 20. Aphro 19. PrAY 18. Bang 17. Ziv 16. PYL 15. Koro1 14. Yellowstar 13. Rekkles 12. Gorilla 11. Huni 10. Rookie 9. Westdoor 8. SSumday 7. Pawn 6. Clearlove 5. Deft 4. Marin 3. Imp 2. KaKAO

Faker

Honorable mentions that didnt get added: Easyhoon - honestly I only left him off this lift because he was the sub for the latter part of the season. He's easily a top 20 player Acorn - would be on this list if he didn't share the top lane with Flame and another top laner (forgot his name) Zionspartan - makes some amazing plays but can be caught out of position a lot. Hai - not the most mechanically skilled jungler but is the core of C9 Febiven/Reignover - had no room for them. Probably top 30 Piccaboo - sorry forgot about Gorilla the first time i wrote this. Sorry, PIccaboo. Niels - sorry, Niels. Forgot about the entire KOO botlane. You're still an above average adc at worlds (Y)

As you can see, my list differs entirely from that list they have at lolesports.com. They didn't show enough love to amazing top laners such as Ssumday and Marin and placed adcs like Niels (not even on their list), Bang, and Deft too low. I swear, if their list puts Rekkles over Deft I will flip my shit...

DestructoDaveSep 27, 20151 votes

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I completely disagree with this top 20 players list and believe it's too biased towards NA. How the hell are Bjergsen and DL on this list? Honestly... 20. Aphro 19. PrAY 18. Bang 17. Ziv 16. PYL 15. Koro1 14. Yellowstar 13. Rekkles 12. Gorilla 11. Huni 10. Rookie 9. Westdoor 8. SSumday 7. Pawn 6. Clearlove 5. Deft 4. Marin 3. Imp 2. KaKAO

Faker

Honorable mentions that didnt get added: Easyhoon - honestly I only left him off this lift because he was the sub for the latter part of the season. He's easily a top 20 player Acorn - would be on this list if he didn't share the top lane with Flame and another top laner (forgot his name) Zionspartan - makes some amazing plays but can be caught out of position a lot. Hai - not the most mechanically skilled jungler but is the core of C9 Febiven/Reignover - had no room for them. Probably top 30 Piccaboo - sorry forgot about Gorilla the first time i wrote this. Sorry, PIccaboo. Niels - sorry, Niels. Forgot about the entire KOO botlane. You're still an above average adc at worlds (Y)

As you can see, my list differs entirely from that list they have at lolesports.com. They didn't show enough love to amazing top laners such as Ssumday and Marin and placed adcs like Niels (not even on their list), Bang, and Deft too low. I swear, if their list puts Rekkles over Deft I will flip my shit...

Other regions have good individual players, and poor team work. I dont know why people dont understand that. You take a player like Bjergsen and stick him on a top korean team, he would do really well. Its not really individual talent that holds back other regions. Its not like League's mechanics are that hard. At their level, it really boils down to team work. The skill ceiling is rather low compared to other games and Esports. Where MOBAs shine, is teamwork and teamplay.

I dont have an issue with western players being ranked decent. Most of them probably are good on an individual level to their asian counterparts. You could stick them on an Asian team, and they would perform well. I mean Febiven more than held his own vs. Faker 1v1, and he is considered the best player in the world. Even Bjergsen did very well in lane, forcing him out, nearly killing him, etc. even though TSM lost and fell apart when it came time to be a team, and him getting ganked of course. Anyways, people dont understand its not individual talent that makes these Asian teams so superior to western teams, its just teamwork and teamplay.

OHminusSep 27, 20151 votes

Actually, if you look at individual mechanics, asians are a lot better than westerners. Why? It's not because of flashy out plays. Those top level mechanical skills are pretty much equal. it's the decision making and number of mistakes made. LGD, AHQ, SKT and even FNC to a certain extent have players that generally make good decisions and minimize their individual mistakes. Take Bjergsen and put him on SKT and they would not be the same team. End of story.

DestructoDaveSep 28, 20151 votes

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Actually, if you look at individual mechanics, asians are a lot better than westerners. Why? It's not because of flashy out plays. Those top level mechanical skills are pretty much equal. it's the decision making and number of mistakes made. LGD, AHQ, SKT and even FNC to a certain extent have players that generally make good decisions and minimize their individual mistakes. Take Bjergsen and put him on SKT and they would not be the same team. End of story.

Thats why most of these mechanical gods dont perform particularly well when they get on other teams; outside of Fnatic. Not like Ryu is a god in Eu. Not like Piglet is a god in NA. He got dominated by Sneaky. Not like Lustboy is stomping everyone. You take these Asian gods, and put them on western teams, and most of them look mediocre to normal, or above average.

Its not like Koreans and Asians dont make mistakes; they do. Its their teamwork that is different. And, when they dont have that teamwork to rely on, they just look normal. Whether you want to believe it or not, the skill ceiling in League, or Mobas, is low. People at the highest levels are pretty similar in skill level, because there simply isn't that much room to completely outperform someone. Thats why you hardly see solo kills in lane. This isn't Quake.

OHminusSep 28, 20151 votes

If Lustboy and PIglet are considered Asian gods...my lord...you have not seen the actual good korean players - Impact is the cusp of what Korea and China look like Lustboy was a washed up Korean support from CJ Blaze. Piglet was on the decline with SKT and left on his own terms before he got edged out by bang. Let me show you some examples of Bjerg vs Faker Bjerg: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xCBE_eXlh8E https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkWE1CpDd7Y https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T8wRYAi-D3w he overextends quite a bit, goes out of position quite often, and tilts quite hard. Faker: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HnhSa3CUlg this is his loss to EDG. While he does make mistakes, none of them were at the level that Bjerg made.

Also, solo kills in lane are quite common...