Victorious Aatrox Ult Form Wing Updates

RiotRiot Eggo McLego·11/12/2019, 7:32:11 PM·1 votes·58,359 views

Hey everyone,

We want to give you a heads up that we’ve made some changes to Victorious Aatrox. When the skin hit PBE, we discovered some pretty serious issues with how his World Ender wings interact with certain runes and items.

https://i.imgur.com/OPHn3Rf.png[img]

[Aatrox normal Ult wings, with Conqueror, and Zhonya’s] [Oof, oops!]

In order to fix this, we’ve adjusted the wings to a solid, bulkier silhouette. The initial feedback we saw around him feeling too sleek and lightweight helped determine the aesthetic we wanted to give this new version. We didn’t feel we could successfully add more armor to his look without coming too close to the Justicar skin, but hope the new wings help his most powerful moments feel harder-hitting.

https://i.imgur.com/Q0ltaH7.png[img]

[Aatrox new Ult wings]

These changes will go into effect before his launch, so this is the version you’ll get if you’ve reached Gold or higher in non-TFT ranked queues.

Riot Eggo McLego

[sg-ahri-2]

61 Comments

Spellfire11/12/2019, 9:22:31 PM22 votes

Even though I understand how important and needed this fix is before it hits live, I still think it’s pretty funny to see how suddenly, when it causes bugs, a skin CAN receive big changes and edits in less than a week.

While instead, by some heavy heavy community dislikes and bad feedback on a particular skin (aka PROJECT: Jinx, or now with Pulsefire Thresh), these changes can’t be made because of the ‘lack of time’.

[sg-lux-2]

Okraki11/12/2019, 8:26:47 PM21 votes

Well it does look better, i must admit that, though still unhappy with it's lack of armor, or how he has three golden skins now. Or that fact he looks pretty close to Justicar, a fact you even acknowledged.

Must also say... he kinda looks like a fairy.

ModThe Djinn11/12/2019, 7:38:47 PM21 votes

Oh man. That makes the skin much nicer. This change is much appreciated.

Hecarim Bot11/13/2019, 1:22:24 AM12 votes

Why didn't you change his outfit too if you changed the wings

EROTIC RAID BOSS11/13/2019, 1:45:00 AM9 votes

I like either version of the wings but while it doesnt need to be armor, the skintight jumpsuit looks kinda awkward to me still. I would've preferred some kind of change there

OctoBit11/12/2019, 9:43:18 PM9 votes

Glad to see Justicar Aatrox gets some Quality of Life updates but can you please tell us who is getting the Victorious Skin already?

On a serious note please put the Victorious skin on someone else. Yes its a "free" skin but it looks so much like Justicar and imo it is so weird looking. I do not mind waiting for an overhaul or if it gets put on someone else.

I know some people might like it but I have read/heard very little positive things about this skin. Yall have cancelled other skins in the past. I think its time to do it again and go back to the drawing board.

EvilSturmi11/13/2019, 1:11:18 AM8 votes

Ay, i'm the guy with the giant top comment on the original feedback thread, and i'd like to start by saying i'm not at all happy by this change, and I'd say why:

As you said armor would make him look more like justicar, which shows a much bigger mistake in itself: Aatrox was a stupid coice:

  1. He has 2 golden skins already, with 1 of them sharing the exact same colour palette as the victorious line (and doing it arguably better)

  2. After 5 years of not giving a vic. skin to supports (if you decide to call s4 Morg a sup, also no too clear as she was also big midlane back then) / 4 years for Adcs you decided to give it to a champ, that has been so incredibly broken (not arguable) that he was to tier pick for 3 positions (top, mid and jungle), atleast for high elo and pro play

  3. He was only meta defining because you don't tend to nerf anyone who just got an expensive skin (sounds bad, but works)

  4. When writing the 3rd point i also noticed that everytime someone bets a random buff, 1 or 2 patches later a skin arives (eg. Blitzcrack, Ashe), i'm not a big fan (also, Blitzcrank feels far too strong, won all games since his buff (10 i think) )

But the most important part:

Before making a skin, you should always ask yourself: 'Why should someone pick this skin over the others?'

I'm personally a giant fan of golden skins (my 2 favorite fantasy themes are Paladins followed by holy/angel stuff) and therefor own mane (might be all, not sure) skins that are even slightly going into this direction. 2 of those are Justicar Aatrox and Bloodmoon Aatrox prestige edition . Normally i'm insanly hyped for the victorious skins, as they kinda fit in with my style, but Victorious Aatrox has a problem, why should someone choose him instead of justicar, or even the Prestige one when they work much better.

Pro

  • Victorious Aatrox is (at least kinda) free.

  • Some may totally be into that marble thing (but as i stated in my previous post about his problem, it doesn't fit in with the victorious skin theme of the past)

Con

  • If i like the golden blue theming, justicar is just the way to go, works much better

  • if i wanna feel like a warrior king, i'll take prestige Aatrox (for those who have it, prestige skins are rediculus)

  • if i like the Victorious skin aesthetics, i'll take Justicar, as is comes closer to it

Some may see it different, but i really don't think there's a reason players will take it above his other skins, atleast people who play Aatrox as they most likely already have atleast one of the above skins if the like the theme.

With that said, i'd like to say i see Riots side of things:

  • Skins are expensive to make, at least the one that aren't kade by interns x) ... oh wait (sry, there had to be one silly joke in here, i'm not serious )

  • So... Skins are expensive to make, and remaking them even more. It's not worth for you guys, and therefor if a change isn't that easy to make, it won't be done (vfx are easier and cheaper then a model change to get him in shape)

  • Riot won't cancel any single skin, no matter how bad/hated it is! (Dunkmaster Ivern)

  • Pareto principle, best way to describe a lost of the 2018/19 skin problems

  • Riot knows exaclty how to spread their resources to get as much money as possible.

  • Highlights: Prestige Skins for the whales, repeating the same skinlines over and over again because they are an easy cashgrab and the strongest of them all Dunkmaster Ivern (you know, that skin that was only made so they could get some cash from sport fans since there aren't enough Iver players to make it worth giving him a skin people would actually enjoy (there are like 100 fanskins, every single one of them better quality and more fitting than Dunkmaster ivern (if someone comes up with a better reason for going with that theme, hit me up (spoiler, he doesn't even dunk)).

Ok sry, lost my track there, so lets continue.

While these changes are atleast a positive developement and much more then i ever expected to get (lost my hope on listening to feedback when i had a discussion with a Rioter, he accidently admited he was wrong and then stoped the conversation. (If someone is interrested : 'we don't change 520rp skins too not confuse our players about our pricing model, that's why 520/750 skins don't receive vfx changes, but 975rp+ do', i then made the argument of Battlborn Kayle and Cookie Morgana beeing the exact opposite and.... still wating for him to answer that one :c) And that's not even the only stupid thing with that Pbe cycle!

Ffs, back to Aatrox again!

Many problems still aren't fixed, like his body shape, his colour theme, his voice, the sfx (especially ult), rectangle q... (see my last post to get some more.

I really don't wanna sound like a dick, but pls consider scraping this one and starting all over. (If you're rly cocky you could even choose another champ).

I think that's it, might be a lost of grammar/spelling errors, as i'm writing this at night and a lot of frustration came up while writing this (somebody might have noticed x) ) but if someone from riot reads this and actually would like to listen/answer some questions/criticism, id actually love to write with someone directly since i got a lot of skin related feedback atm (about the current system etc. : ) Katey is sadly unavailable atm (and a lot more busy then in the early days...), so if you may dm me / tell me someone i can give my feedback too that actually reads/responds to it it owuld be really appreciaded!).

Tl;Dr Victorious Kog'Maw pls!

[slayer-jinx-wink]

Old Man Riven11/12/2019, 9:16:00 PM5 votes

The wings look good! I didn’t necessarily dislike the old ones, but these look nice.

I assume then that his normal, ctrl+5 wings are unmodified?

Also you now have the best rioter name I have yet seen. Mega props.

DryuBOOPMAN11/12/2019, 9:18:52 PM5 votes

As an Aatrox main, I'm very much pleased with this change. They were what I liked the least about the skin. Some other things bother me too, but that's just detail. Here it's much better to be honest! Great change, and thank you for listening to feedback! Do we know what's gonna happen to the chroma's wings tho? Are they gonna change color or not?

Moonboy6511/12/2019, 9:11:51 PM4 votes

that looks much better

Thesis Proc11/13/2019, 8:46:26 AM3 votes

Change his tights to pink and call it a Heartseeker skin. Right now it looks like Heartseeker Varus and Justicar Aatrox had a baby. The skin looks nice and the vfx are amazing. Just the theme is a total miss.

Tin Obliterates11/12/2019, 9:45:36 PM3 votes

Great changes, the skin definitely looks much nicer with these.

Just wondering, are there more changes coming to the model besides the wings? I know armor isn't possible to add anymore (though maybe you guys could add a bit of purple to his legs like you did with his chest? Just so they don't look so plain), but are his arm and recall getting more marble-esque textures perhaps? I think that's the only other thing it needs.

HavickPT11/12/2019, 10:21:14 PM3 votes

looks beter will the armor will have bit more work?

JokerGoat11/13/2019, 4:10:53 AM3 votes

I was one of the only people to love it, and now I love it even more

Late Game Kayle11/12/2019, 10:47:40 PM2 votes

Wow, huge improvement there. Nice work.

20InchDarkinDong11/12/2019, 9:24:30 PM2 votes

I like them alot, but 1 really vital change. Please, make the wings bulkier/thicker than they are rn. The base design looks actually good, they are just too thin. Otherwise, great work, massive upgrade.

Also, idk if its possible, but I would love if you guys would make the white palettes in his gauntlet, Sword and armor a bit darker shade of white than it is rn. It's really bright ingame, and making it just a tad bit darker would make the skin so much more satisfying to use (especially for the Gauntlet's color)

thank you for taking the time upgrading this skin. Alot of people dislike it but as a humble Aatrox main, I say it has the potential to be a good skin, and its already coming to that direction. Just a few key elements to make it truly great. [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Larriet11/13/2019, 10:32:04 PM2 votes

Remember to update the splash art to account for this change!

A fart inthewind11/14/2019, 8:52:55 AM2 votes

uhhhhh in the splash-art, he's holding the sword the wrong way

Forgebornn11/12/2019, 10:51:04 PM2 votes

New wings look a lot better. I just hope the skin gets more tweaks because it's still very underwhelming. I think more metal would be more fitting for Aatrox instead of the cloth approach.

Remmoh11/13/2019, 2:08:51 AM1 votes

I was wondering if the individuals that were around since the first season of ranked and even before that would be receiving anything special within the 10th anniversary year? I know this might be a lot but to all those UFO Corki guys out there it might be nice to see some appreciation from Riot for sticking around for so long. Anyways, the game has been an absolute wonder and allowed me to keep in contact with many friends from back home as I was in the US military for 8 years and that's how my friends and I kept in contact and gaming together. I appreciate everything the company has done and the directions you are taking it. Just food for thought. Cheers.

Sexy Jack Rabbit11/13/2019, 7:14:48 AM1 votes

What's the logic that this skin could be changed now, but other skins can't for things that are way-way minor?

Riot ya BS is showing.

Tin Obliterates11/13/2019, 6:32:40 PM1 votes

I don't think some armor on his chest or more on his legs would clash with Justicar anyway, since that skin makes it look like the armor is a part of his body just like with his classic skin (not to mention the armor on Justicar is more of a plain yellow than a shiny gold like the armor plates on this one).

As long as it's made clear that he's actually just _wearing _ the armor on Victorious, there should still be no clashing between the two skins apart from the color schemes. (btw pls make his right arm look more like some sort of mineral. The bio states that it's made from crystal quartz but it looks like a glove in game)

ChaosBladesX11/14/2019, 1:53:34 AM1 votes

Will the wings be animated like the rest of his skins ? (minus mecha) Also they look great ! but i also wish if they were a wee bit thicker or bigger ?

Abyz11/14/2019, 7:59:57 AM1 votes

But why is he wearing a blue leather suit and is so similar to Justicar ... This skin is out of line for the Victorious theme. Wings make it better but I'm probably never playing with that

StayNotAngry11/14/2019, 6:47:44 PM1 votes

From an ultimate form Kamen rider to a normal form Kamen rider. [slayer-jinx-unamused]

MrEnds11/15/2019, 6:33:32 PM1 votes

I honestly hate the new wings, they look like Paper Mache because they dont have an animation and his taunt doesnt even show his wings and the wings dont match the splash art at all

LeKrab11/16/2019, 3:12:29 AM1 votes

This skin is a joke.. The shadings are rough and unpolished, the whole colour scheme doesn't come out looking good, and these new wings are poorly drawn overall. It's no where near the quality of previous Victorious skin. Heck this skin looks like it came out in 2013 and aged VERY poorly.

xKenetic11/16/2019, 1:49:27 PM1 votes

After seeing the splash art of the new wings it dosen’t really fit in according to the wings at the splash.

granna tenshura11/17/2019, 10:14:46 PM1 votes

hi @Riot Eggo McLego can u change the color of the passive indicator on the chroma make it red like gem on it

urgeN11/24/2019, 10:48:59 AM1 votes

The new wings are a downgrade to the previous version. I have some issues with the design of the skin, even though i find it mostly beautiful, but seeing that you've removed one of it's beautiful qualities and replaced them with a fast ugly fix makes me a bit sad.

KutzPine11/26/2019, 8:17:30 AM

Hi! Aatrox one-trick here (one-tricktrox). I don't think the skin looks bad in-game tbh, although there are certainly better skins for my boi. However, I noticed his wings during his ult are not centered properly on his back and it's kinda disturbing in a way, especially when moving directly up or down. Another thing about his wings is that they should make his wings bigger and make them flap. These changes would make the skin a lot more appealing.

In addition, if these wings had to be changed because it was reacting very strangely to runes and items, why are the banner wings still the same. It's like the banner wings were fixed, yet the ult wings needed to be changed because they were buggy. My point is that if Riot could fix the banner wings, as they have the same effects and details, then why couldn't they have fixed his ult wings and prevent these strange interactions from runes and items. Hopefully the team that designed the skin will look into this.

[slayer-pantheon-thumbs]