toxicity in player behavior boards

Frothy White Goo·Mar 12, 2018·2 votes·2,207 views

Why are people allowed to consistently flame anyone who posts in the player behavior boards?

i feel like if riot is going to be as harsh as they are IN game

they need to be equally as harsh in the boards

just go to any top thread in the behavior boards and watch the forum gnomes just troll the fuck out of any discussion that doesn't fit the left leaning narrative

and dont get me started on the djinn moderator that straight up lies in his responses to people and closes threads if they dont fit the left leaning narrative

my question is, What is riot going to do about it?

23 Comments

ModThe DjinnMar 12, 20186 votes

If you report behavior, a moderator will take a look when they are available. We are a volunteer team, and are not always immediately able to hit everything that is reported, which I apologize for. I'd like to say we can get everything immediately, but it's simply not feasible.

There is also definitely some internal conversations on how strict our punishments should be. We are currently slightly more lenient than in-game punishments on everything but the worst behaviors, and we currently give some additional leeway on Player Behavior, as we know that's a rather heated board at times.

That said, I will post some of the contents of the thread in question that violated the Universal Rules. Names of posters will be omitted in all cases. I told you it was locked for belligerent comments: perhaps "belligerent" was a bit of a strong word, but the following conveys the tone of the arguments:

it's because league became a liberal cesspool this has become their safespace where words suddenly hurt people

Oh man, you're one of those people. You're willing to blame everything on one side of the political spectrum because you don't like that everyone disagrees with you.

league is one of the most far left companies that i have ever seen, so naturally the boards would be a liberal cesspool

As far as your troll account goes. Congrats, you are consistently bad and look like a bad player?

i bet it hurt his feelings so riot had to come in and police you

same liberal cover my ears to truth and logic crybaby attitude that i love to see :)

Comments like these (which are from multiple parties) are antagonistic, inflammatory, and political (in many cases), all of which are against boards policy. I will not pretend that there was not a discussion going on, but when the discussion falls afoul of so many board rules something has to be done. While we could have pruned the thread to edit out the offending comments, there was enough work to be done that the moderator who handled it chose (correctly, in my view) to simply remove the entire thread.

If you wish to make a similar thread and the tone of it remains free of the personal insults, politically-leaning commends, aggressive argument styles, and Universal Rule violations, we will be more than happy to leave it up.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20182 votes

i actually appreciate the response, while i can NOW understand your point when you isolate the specific circumstances you listed, i don't agree that most of them were off topic or beligerent.

as of right now, i apologize for saying that you lied to me. I do believe that a difference in opinion greatly influenced your decision to close the conversation thread.

I would repost, but the player behavior community is not capable of having that particular discussion without throwing out the insults randomly so there would be no reason for it because it would immediately be closed again

again for emphasis, i apologize for saying you lied to me.

ModThe DjinnMar 12, 20184 votes

{quoted}i actually appreciate the response

My pleasure.

while i can NOW understand your point when you isolate the specific circumstances you listed, i don't agree that most of them were off topic or belligerent.

And that's fair. I'd like to be able to convince you, but I have enough moderation experience to know that it's not possible to get everyone on the same page all the time. For future reference, we don't allow political-leaning insults (against either side of the aisle), nor comments on how someone needed to call in moderation/Riot because they couldn't handle the discussion. If you see that in a discussion -- no matter who says it -- it's a good sign it's time to report the post in question and bow out gracefully.

again for emphasis, i apologize for saying you lied to me.

No hard feelings. Just please bear in mind, in the future, that we really don't benefit from lying to you guys. Our goal is to keep the boards ship-shape, and that's really not done by hiding our reasons, making removals for personal grievances, or doing all those other things people sometimes accuse us of.

If there's something we feel is a legitimate mistake we undo it, if there's something borderline we can sometimes be persuaded to reverse a ruling, and when it's a case of disagreement we're always willing to explain our view of things. Sometimes there will be disagreement at the end of the day, but that's due to the fact that sometimes we do have to pick a ruling, and we can't always please everyone.

C9 Squeeky Mar 12, 20182 votes

My friend (who NEVER uses the boards) got hacked & the hacker went onto the boards into his account and posted all this racial crap and now my friend has a 2-week suspension because of it that Riot won't revoke.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

that sucks and i don't put it passed riot to do some shady shit like that

it's a little off topic here though no?

C9 Squeeky Mar 12, 20182 votes

I was just pointing out that Riot does punish, though I guess it depends on the severity and frequency of posts.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

fair enough, i was not super clear on that, sorry

AblesCruxMar 13, 20181 votes

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I was just pointing out that Riot does punish, though I guess it depends on the severity and frequency of posts.

well well another fly for skyer on a mod spot not surprised this guy hacks is know as muna can hit someone with a 3 gb per second damn near crippling any system.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/81jphEp1-punished-for-defending-an-enemy-who-was-being-bullied-by-his-team-riot-advises-to-not-defend-him?comment=0001000300000000000000000000000000000000000000000000

this user has not stopped flaming me all day

looking for rioter help

ModPeriscopeMar 12, 20182 votes

I took a look at that exchange.

I really don’t see why you were upset that someone had asked for proof of your claim. If I made a claim, Peri is most strongest man in the world, and I didn’t provide evidence, then you would not be inclined to believe me.

Beyond that, if you find someone is harassing you on the boards and replying to most of your posts, hit the report button, and probably stop replying to their posts.

If the behavior persists, go to the moderation discord and discuss the situation there.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

he started taunting me for using the word "literally"

that post is the embodiment of harassment, i have been reporting all of his posts and nothing has happened

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20182 votes

From how it looks to me, he started taunting you for your choice of pointless rhetoric as a way to emphasize the lack of substance in your posts. The point is that your (objectively unnecessary) use of the word "literally" is not a legitimate replacement for actual evidence/arguments to back up your claim.

And that is a fair point to make. He wasn't exactly super nice about it, but I honestly do not think this can be considered harassment.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

he's done it over the course of 13 threads because in one thread, i told djinn that he literally lied to me.

if that is not harassment at that point, then i believe there is some seriously fucked up definitions of harassment

it's not pointless rhetoric, it's how i choose to use my language and it was used correctly.

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20182 votes

13 threads? I just checked his post history, and he didn't even 13 posts on this. Regarding threads, there's the one thread where you said it, in which he attacked it (once again, hardly harassment as it was a comment on your rhetoric), and then there is one more thread where he points out the similarity of the two discussions.

I also didn't say you used it incorrectly, I said it was objectively unnecessary. There's no such thing as figuratively lying.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

most of any written language that has ever existed in the history of language, is objectively unnecessary.

he's been harassing me and i want the moderators to fix it, it's that simple

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20182 votes

Unnecessary rhetoric is (arguably) not a problem in itself, but it does become a problem when people use it as a replacement for evidence.

You made a post, he attacked the posts lack of substance. You made another post that lacked substance, and he compared it to the first. That's not harassment, that is legitimately criticizing you. It's that simple.

The fact that you just managed to blow a number as small as 2 up to 13 makes it look all the more like an overreaction from your side; while being yet another case where you simply state things without evidence, only to be called out on it. Maybe instead of being so insistant on those posts being harassment you should listen to them and reconsider the way you phrase your concerns.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

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Unnecessary rhetoric is (arguably) not a problem in itself, but it does become a problem when people use it as a replacement for evidence.

You made a post, he attacked the posts lack of substance. You made another post that lacked substance, and he compared it to the first. That's not harassment, that is legitimately criticizing you. It's that simple.

The fact that you just managed to blow a number as small as 2 up to 13 makes it look all the more like an overreaction from your side; while being yet another case where you simply state things without evidence, only to be called out on it. Maybe instead of being so insistant on those posts being harassment you should listen to them and reconsider the way you phrase your concerns.

ooooor

he's harassing me and riot needs to fix it

if this was done in game, the constant taunting and following me around

he'd get perma'd in one shot

it's not a replacement for evidence in any instance by the way, i gave evidence about the topics at hand to the people who inquired but werent being dicks about it.

even got one person to join in on the class action, mind you

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20182 votes

if this was done in game, the constant taunting and following me around

The forums are the forums, the games are the games.

Discussion is not only unavoidable, but in fact the whole point of a forum. Ingame, on the other hand, discussion can distract from and harm the point of the game and as such needs to be more carefully inspected.

he'd get perma'd in one shot

No. No, he wouldn't.

it's not a replacement for evidence in any instance by the way, i gave evidence about the topics at hand to the people who inquired but werent being dicks about it.

I just checked your post history... the only link you have posted recently is the one in this very thread to support your claim that you were harassed. I can't find you quoting Djinn at any point to give evidence to the alleged lie either.

Previously one could still give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just overreacting and heavily exaggerating. But this right now I cannot assume to be anything but a lie. A pretty bold one, too, given that I've previously shown that I'm willing to look at other players' post history to verify your claims.

So one last word of advice, before I'm out of here: If you're the kind of person that doesn't like to share evidence, you should probably try not to destroy your own credibility.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

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The forums are the forums, the games are the games.

Discussion is not only unavoidable, but in fact the whole point of a forum. Ingame, on the other hand, discussion can distract from and harm the point of the game and as such needs to be more carefully inspected.

No. No, he wouldn't.

I just checked your post history... the only link you have posted recently is the one in this very thread to support your claim that you were harassed. I can't find you quoting Djinn at any point to give evidence to the alleged lie either.

Previously one could still give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you were just overreacting and heavily exaggerating. But this right now I cannot assume to be anything but a lie. A pretty bold one, too, given that I've previously shown that I'm willing to look at other players' post history to verify your claims.

So one last word of advice, before I'm out of here: If you're the kind of person that doesn't like to share evidence, you should probably try not to destroy your own credibility.

i couldnt give a shit whether you believe me or not.

https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KrNlaIO3-you-know-youve-won-an-argument-in-the-behavior-boards-when?comment=00030000000000000000000000000000

here is the post where i told djinn he was literally lying to me

this post is specifically for the mods other than djinn to help me get his moderator status removed, AND to get these other kids to stop spamming my posts. i'm about ready to add you to my list for the constant attacks

TrulyBlandMar 12, 20183 votes

You just provided evidence of you telling Djinn that he did lie to you, you did not provide any evidence of the actual lie. If you are trying to say that the lie is the post towards which your post is a direct reply:

This is not the appropriate place for a continuation of this discussion.

That's not a lie. That's true. The player behaviour section is not meant for discussing moderation of the boards.

I have told you why the thread was removed.

Also not a lie. For evidence: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KrNlaIO3-you-know-youve-won-an-argument-in-the-behavior-boards-when?comment=00030000000000000000

That post has been posted earlier and is, in fact, replied to and quoted by you in the earlier chain of the exact same subthread of the post where you claim he's lying.

If you wish to discuss further, Discuss the Boards or the moderation discord are the appropriate places.

Also not a lie. Same reason as why the first sentence is not a lie.

Once again, no evidence for a lie by a moderator. Once again, you casually ignore when people falsify your claim. Once again, you're trying to convince people by simply repeating your claim and your demands.

This discussion is clearly pointless. You are just spinning in circles, and I don't intend to join you.

Frothy White GooMar 12, 20181 votes

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You just provided evidence of you telling Djinn that he did lie to you, you did not provide any evidence of the actual lie. If you are trying to say that the lie is the post towards which your post is a direct reply:

That's not a lie. That's true. The player behaviour section is not meant for discussing moderation of the boards.

Also not a lie. For evidence: https://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/KrNlaIO3-you-know-youve-won-an-argument-in-the-behavior-boards-when?comment=00030000000000000000

That post has been posted earlier and is, in fact, replied to and quoted by you in the earlier chain of the exact same subthread of the post where you claim he's lying.

Also not a lie. Same reason as why the first sentence is not a lie.

Once again, no evidence for a lie by a moderator. Once again, you casually ignore when people falsify your claim. Once again, you're trying to convince people by simply repeating your claim and your demands.

Feel free to point out where I attacked you, rather than the points you were making.

the exact post you quoted IS the lie

"The thread was removed due to a high level of belligerent posts,"

there were no belligerent posts in the thread that he removed

he removed them because the conversation about feeding being worse than bad words was not going in the direction he wanted (a very civil discussion)

so instead of letting the conversation happen, he tried to censor it

so just for clarification

the lie was here "The thread was removed due to a high level of belligerent posts,"

ModPeriscopeMar 12, 20182 votes

I’m not thinking this is harassment: there should be both insults and consistent replies to your posts that were otherwise unsolicited. You replied to his, and he to yours. If he replied here, to a post specifically about him, I would be inclined to agree with you, and a moderator may have taken action.

I don’t have access to any prior closed threads, so I’d talk to mods on the discord. There you can speak with them privately.

ModThe DjinnMar 12, 20181 votes

{quoted}that post is the embodiment of harassment, i have been reporting all of his posts and nothing has happened

Please note that our moderator team is a volunteer team, and our ability to work through the queue depends on how much time we have available at any given point to devote to it. If you reported it someone will take a look at it. I can't promise any specific action (I'm not actually at my home computer right now so I can't address it myself), but I can promise that if you reported it than it will be looked at, and if you're especially concerned or feel a look at that single post will not get the full picture, you are always welcome to come to the Moderation Discord to report it in person. Again, I can't promise the resolution will be the one you desire, but I can promise that, either way, your report will be considered.