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So certain mod deleted my post without even reading it and having idea what it was about

Velzard of Koz··46 votes·15,420 views

There is thread by Moody P where he praises CertainlyT, either in serious or trolly or sarcastic manner, who knows. Some guy made exaggerated post about how Moody P would defend CT's design no matter how bad they are, the exaggeration being the last line in the image. I simply pointed out he criticized WW's design - point being that WW was made by CT and yet Moody P does not defend the design, in fact he hates it.

My comment was removed and I got message about how I should be civilized about other people's opinions. WTF.

My comment, that you can still read, because the guy quoted it and this mod couldn't bother to get any further in discussion and remove the quotation because pressing DELETE button on reported comments is his only job now:

Actually just recently he criticized WW

This is literally it. Once again, you want proof? Go to that thread and read it since the quotation isn't removed.

The message I got:

https://i.imgur.com/JCRIP29.png[/img]

https://i.imgur.com/Lr9ovIi.png[/img]

That, my dears, was not even my post. It was the post I reacted to, as you can obviously see because the > symbol symbolises quotation. That was the post I was quoting because QUOTE is actual function on these Boards. You know, it provides clarity as to what you react to.

This guy, that I won't name, didn't bother doing the one job he has - reading it. He literally casually presses DELETE button on my post without reading it. There is absolutely no excuse. It was obvious I was quoting, with formatted quotation and without, it was obvious what my post actually was but this guy just presses DELETE without reading the whole thing.

Mods are supposed to prevent toxicity in discussion but there is nothing more toxic I encountered on these Boards than being afraid of posting because among million of reasons why some mod can get triggered, you also have to add that they simply won't read it, because reading 6 words is really hard for this mod.

And I have to read something like:

While we understand that you may be upset or frustrated, the Moderation Team does not accept this as a valid excuse to be uncivilized, and we ultimately require that all discussions on the Boards be civil.

Get off your high horse. The only difference between the two of us is that you have DELETE button and are itchy to use it. Let me make similar line and you, who know who you are, read this:

While I understand you are volunteer, the Boards Members do not accept this as valid excuse to be this careless, and we ultimately require you to be able to read at least 6 words.

I've been posting less and less on these Boards exactly because of this. Because the Mod Team recently got too obssesed with pressing that DELETE button. Because of your high horse. Because YOU require civil discussion, and I HAVE to do as your rules say, but some members of your team cannot be bothered to spend 5 seconds googling obvious Rhaast quote or because some members of your team cannot be bothered to read 6 words before they hit that DELETE button.

If you want to lecture me, let ME lecture you - the DELETE button is serious tool of regulation and I am not being demanding or uncivil when I require you to do as small of a task as to read the whole post before you throw yourself at the button. I can tolerate many things but this is example of a mod literally not understanding what QUOTE is, not being bothered to read 6 words but I am glad he is still allowed to have access to DELETE button.

And there was no reason to delete my original post because I literally did what the rule demands:

Just state your side and exit the conversation gracefully rather than give them the opportunity to pick a fight.

I literally just half-defended Moody P, stating that he doesn't defend CT designs by principle because there is at least one he not only criticised but outright hates.

And I will say this one more time to stress how ridiculous this situation is. My post had 6 words. It was easier for this mod to jump at DELETE button than to read them. Also, the announcement states it was sent by Riot Games, but it wasn't Rioter's action, it was of a specific mod - just to clear that to someone who might be unfimiliar with these announcements.

52 Comments

ModThe Djinn21 votes

The mod who did this removal is not around this morning, but when he's available I'll have him take a second look at this action. There may be something I'm missing, or it may have been a mistaken removal, and we'll check back in once we've had time to get his thoughts and reasoning on the action performed.

UPDATE: I have spoken with the moderator in question. It seems there may have been a mistake on our part with the message that was sent. To quote that moderator: "I removed it because it quoted a post I removed for being low-effort and lacked context without it."

The fact that the message was sent mentioning your violation of the rules appears to have been inaccurate (possibly a copy/paste error), and my apologies for that slip-up on our part. The message should have stated that your post was being removed as post-removal clean-up, which we sometimes do when removing a problematic post that has several responses that are nonsensical without that problematic post's context.

iamthegoatofwar6 votes

There's not much else to say other than sorry and it was a mistake. "Actually just recently he criticized WW" You need to tell basically every player here and now as a member of the mod team how in the hell this comment is up for removal under the guideline that he supposedly violated.

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}There's not much else to say other than sorry and it was a mistake.

While it appears this way to me, I do want to discuss with the moderator in question to see if there is context here I am missing. When full information is readily available I prefer to have it before rendering judgment even in cases that appear relatively simple.

Colte4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-30T13:20:32.989+0000)

The mod who did this removal is not around this morning, but when he's available I'll have him take a second look at this action. There may be something I'm missing, or it may have been a mistaken removal, and we'll check back in once we've had time to get his thoughts and reasoning on the action performed.

there are no mistakes, just happy accidents

[sg-kiko]

Velzard of Koz4 votes

More important to me is making sure that mod team realizes how easily abused this way REPORT button is. Since my post quoted by the guy didn't get removed as is the case with thread-sweaps, someone had to report my post. Maybe malicious intent, maybe someone who reported the original guy making sure all traces of the post are cleared, wanting merely the quote to be removed rather than whole post.

I don't know what your REPORT interface looks like, but either that interface needs improvment (this is why I wrote "with formatted quotation and without" acknowledging maybe your interface has problems showing formatting) or this thing needs to be taken more seriously by people who handle it (in case you cannot change the interface since mods already mentoined the boards system generally is limited on topic of thread moving).

Both this case and the Rhaast quote incidents make me think how many such posts are removed without the person interfering because someone abused REPORT button and the fact these things aren't checked enough. I had several posts removed by action I disagreed with but usually it wasn't deal big enough for me to care. But in this case it's more important. I myself used REPORT button several times not exactly being sure whether the person is missteping something enough and I figured I'll let "authorities" deal with that, preferably not in way of removal but at least checking If it's not trend with that individual. Makes me think now I should really only restort to using it when I am sure so it's not abused accidentally, too.

ModThe Djinn8 votes

[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=00020002,timestamp=2019-04-30T15:54:49.524+0000)More important to me is making sure that mod team realizes how easily abused this way REPORT button is.

It's not that easily abused -- mistakes just happen from time to time, and if this is indeed a slip-up (still waiting on the mod in question to have time to pop in) then it's one of those unfortunate ones that will occur occasionally on a platform of this scale. I know that's frustrating, but I cannot honestly say we will ever achieve a perfect track record.

rujitra2 votes

Please don't beat yourself up. Attempting to achieve perfection is futile at best, and harmful at worst. You should go for best as humanly possible, but that won't be perfection and that's okay.

Kanzler4 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2019-04-30T13:20:32.989+0000)

The mod who did this removal is not around this morning, but when he's available I'll have him take a second look at this action. There may be something I'm missing, or it may have been a mistaken removal, and we'll check back in once we've had time to get his thoughts and reasoning on the action performed.

UPDATE: I have spoken with the moderator in question. It seems there may have been a mistake on our part with the message that was sent. To quote that moderator: "I removed it because it quoted a post I removed for being low-effort and lacked context without it."

The fact that the message was sent mentioning your violation of the rules appears to have been inaccurate (possibly a copy/paste error), and my apologies for that slip-up on our part. The message should have stated that your post was being removed as post-removal clean-up, which we sometimes do when removing a problematic post that has several responses that are nonsensical without that problematic post's context.

I guess Riot's processes for copy/pasting generic responses to support tickets also applies to board moderation.

[slayer-jinx-catface]

ModThe Djinn1 votes

{quoted}I guess Riot's processes for copy/pasting generic responses to support tickets also applies to board moderation.

When you might deal with 40+ of the same removal reason when handling the queue, yeah -- copy/paste is reasonable. Does it sometimes lead to some minor confusion? Sure, if mistakes happen. But that's just the reality of moderation on this scale.

ilmiringe1 votes

Just a casual comment to commend your effort. It helps to see an active mod working with the community to provide clarity regarding any misunderstandings or unintentional errors.

DalekZec13 votes

"Actually just recently he criticized WW"

HOW IS THAT AGAINST THE RULES?!? Come on...

No need for proof cuz I'm the witness. That comment was directed to me.

Emelie Cauchemar11 votes

Oh look, another moderator that's going to get another love tap for being extremely lazy and incompetent. Don't worry though. I reckon you'll get a one day suspension like I did for calling them out :)!!! By the very same incompetent moderator!

ModThe Djinn7 votes

[{quoted}](name=Emelie Cauchemar,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2019-04-30T15:02:57.829+0000)Oh look, another moderator that's going to get another love tap for being extremely lazy and incompetent.

Mistakes happen. There's a lot of posts to moderate, and we're humans. When severe mistakes occur, we handle them appropriately. When minor mistakes occur, we handle them appropriately.

Don't worry though. I reckon you'll get a one day suspension like I did for calling them out :)!!! By the very same incompetent moderator!

Calling us out in a civil fashion is fine. Calling us, effectively, ignorant people who half-ass our stuff and saying you should shoot our dogs and then arrest us isn't especially civil, nor the way to address your concerns or complaints.

y0r1ck3 votes

Bro if he said that why is he still allowed to post?

ModThe Djinn6 votes

{quoted}Bro if he said that why is he still allowed to post?

Because the fact that the behavior in question targets a moderator does not mean it deserves an escalation outside of the normal progression. I'm not in the habit of escalating punishments past the normal punishment appropriate for the violation just because it directly targets me or someone on the mod team. That would be an abuse of power.

y0r1ck1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T15:46:02.788+0000)

Because the fact that the behavior in question targets a moderator does not mean it deserves an escalation outside of the normal progression. I'm not in the habit of escalating punishments past the normal punishment appropriate for the violation just because it directly targets me or someone on the mod team. That would be an abuse of power.

No you misunderstand, I don't care that he said it to a mod, but that he said that at all. Like why is somebody allowed to say those things at all? That's far worse than "hate speech" even.

I'm not trying to imply that you're taking threats to yourself more seriously, no need to assume so.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}No you misunderstand, I don't care that he said it to a mod, but that he said that at all.

We don't perma-ban for just one or two violations save in the most egregious and extreme cases. This wasn't one of them.

y0r1ck1 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=000400000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T17:15:12.791+0000)

We don't perma-ban for just one or two violations save in the most egregious and extreme cases. This wasn't one of them.

What could be more egregious than saying to shoot somebody's dog?

ModThe Djinn2 votes

{quoted}What could be more egregious than saying to shoot somebody's dog?

I'm not going to list all the offensive stuff I've seen on the boards, but let's just say a lot of stuff.

y0r1ck2 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=00040000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-30T17:26:50.738+0000)

I'm not going to list all the offensive stuff I've seen on the boards, but let's just say a lot of stuff.

Fair enough

Emelie Cauchemar4 votes

I literally didn't.

I used the fact that cops are allowed to shoot your dog if they deem it a threat, and if you retaliate they're allowed to arrest you. They just don't know how to read/interpret very well. As you can see by the literal post of the op. It's a skill set they've yet to acquire.

fun fact, my significant other runs an animal sanctuary, and I adopt animals from abusive homes. I'd never literally tell someone that I'm going to kill their fucking dog.

DJColdCutz1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Emelie Cauchemar,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0004000000000001,timestamp=2019-05-01T04:38:54.515+0000)I'm going to kill their fucking dog.

OMG You are a horriblle person!!! Mods! Mods! Come quick! Your dogs are in danger!

Silly Neeko4 votes

From the sounds of things, the post above yours was fairly rude.... so chances are it was a misclick.

Settle down with the conspiracy there we are all only human.

Hethalean13 votes

Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence. ~ Tim Pool

incompetence here for me includes mistakes lol

Necro Warrior876 votes

{quoted}

Never attribute to malice what you can attribute to incompetence. ~ Tim Pool

incompetence here for me includes mistakes lol

Them, The Normies: Misunderstand.

Us, The Chad Intellectuals: quote Tim Pool.

y0r1ck2 votes

Responded to wrong guy

y0r1ck3 votes

Hanlon's razor, not Tim Pool. I'm sure Tim of all people wouldn't want us to miscredit people.

Hethalean1 votes

Thanks. I've only known Tim Pool to say it and he never said where he got it in the videos that I heard him say it.

GoldsmithSmarty4 votes

This occasionally happens on these forums. Some moderators get triggered for some reason. I was banned for 24 hours for cracking a couple of "dick" jokes, but people who insulted me under my post got nothing. This place has strict rules.

In your case it has to be a mistake, otherwise this moderator should be relieved of his position and a 24h ban would fit quite good=)

Acekill3r4 votes

I got suspended after they deleted 5 of my messages in 2 days, i am going to repeat what got me suspended : this Board and Riot games are dead as long as the people in charge or with any power are enforcing a distorted logic, a wicked one a totalitarian one.

You moderators are just deleting posts "you don't like", non offensive posts, criticism is not an offense get off your high horse.

ModEvangele4 votes

{quoted}

I got suspended after they deleted 5 of my messages in 2 days, i am going to repeat what got me suspended : this Board and Riot games are dead as long as the people in charge or with any power are enforcing a distorted logic, a wicked one a totalitarian one.

You moderators are just deleting posts "you don't like", non offensive posts, criticism is not an offense get off your high horse.

Nami Actually, what got you suspended was:

"No, mostly because you are American and your education is so shit that you cannot understand that you don't simply contest the truth because.. You know, it's true. Now get out of here stupid uneducated person. Oh and honestly i could not care less if you consider me racist since what i said is the truth anyway and you debating it is meaningless."

After 3 warnings for similar content including:

"Sometimes i wonder how bad your education in school has been, how can you act like your neurons are not working at all?" & "You are everything wrong in the world, decontextualizing thing is the first step to be ignorant and stupid, but i can't really blame you"

thefatlazycat3 votes

why do I feel like it was Wilk who did this?

Original Sin3 votes

Actually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WWActually just recently he criticized WW

Abuse of power by mods.

Imperial Pandaa3 votes

Now this is just spam.

ModUlanopo3 votes

For what it's worth, I'm sorry I wasn't more clear with the messaging. You should also know the action was marked as "No Warning" because it was a cleanup. That means it doesn't count against you when we review for escalation.

Karn Bishop3 votes

Personally i find it interesting that moody goes out of his way to target and enrage people into anger and hatred yet the posts where he obviously does this are never removed.

KFCeytron1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=0012,timestamp=2019-05-01T05:11:05.998+0000)

Personally i find it interesting that moody goes out of his way to target and enrage people into anger and hatred yet the posts where he obviously does this are never removed.

Enraging people is allowed on Boards as long as you do it without being rude or harassing anyone.

Karn Bishop3 votes

Actually they have rules against it, also known as trolling.

KFCeytron2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=001200000000,timestamp=2019-05-01T05:27:59.605+0000)

Actually they have rules against it, also known as trolling.

There is indeed a rule against it, but it's still allowed on Boards. =\

Karn Bishop3 votes

Oh i'm not saying he can't do it just that when it triggers that much anger the post should be removed along side the responses to it.

KFCeytron3 votes

[{quoted}](name=Karn Bishop,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=00120000000000000000,timestamp=2019-05-01T05:35:15.553+0000)

Oh i'm not saying he can't do it just that when it triggers that much anger the post should be removed along side the responses to it.

Yes, it would be nice if troll posts intended to piss people off were removed, but only the pissed-off responses get removed, unless the troll was "rude" or "harassing" in the opinion of the mod who got to the flags first (mods HATE overriding the incorrect decisions of other mods).

SayoriIsBigSad2 votes

Inb4 Post gets deleted.

Jerry SeinfeId2 votes

My comment, that you can still read, because the guy quoted it and this mod couldn't bother to get any further in discussion and remove the quotation because pressing DELETE button on reported comments is his only job now

I've had a comment on a victim complex jungler post deleted, this was quoted about multiple times. Those weren't deleted.

they were quick to delete it and 24h ban me when i reposted it and yet, the quoted ones are still up there to this day.

KFCeytron2 votes

"I'll ban you shortly, sir!"

RoG Seraph2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Velzard of Koz,realm=EUNE,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=HEyQwv4L,comment-id=,timestamp=2019-04-30T12:33:16.043+0000)

There is thread by Moody P where he praises CertainlyT, either in serious or trolly or sarcastic manner, who knows. Some guy made exaggerated post about how Moody P would defend CT's design no matter how bad they are, the exaggeration being the last line in the image. I simply pointed out he criticized WW's design - point being that WW was made by CT and yet Moody P does not defend the design, in fact he hates it.

My comment was removed and I got message about how I should be civilized about other people's opinions. WTF.

My comment, that you can still read, because the guy quoted it and this mod couldn't bother to get any further in discussion and remove the quotation because pressing DELETE button on reported comments is his only job now:

This is literally it. Once again, you want proof? Go to that thread and read it since the quotation isn't removed.

The message I got:

https://i.imgur.com/JCRIP29.png[/img]

https://i.imgur.com/Lr9ovIi.png[/img]

That, my dears, was not even my post. It was the post I reacted to, as you can obviously see because the > symbol symbolises quotation. That was the post I was quoting because QUOTE is actual function on these Boards. You know, it provides clarity as to what you react to.

This guy, that I won't name, didn't bother doing the one job he has - reading it. He literally casually presses DELETE button on my post without reading it. There is absolutely no excuse. It was obvious I was quoting, with formatted quotation and without, it was obvious what my post actually was but this guy just presses DELETE without reading the whole thing.

Mods are supposed to prevent toxicity in discussion but there is nothing more toxic I encountered on these Boards than being afraid of posting because among million of reasons why some mod can get triggered, you also have to add that they simply won't read it, because reading 6 words is really hard for this mod.

And I have to read something like:

Get off your high horse. The only difference between the two of us is that you have DELETE button and are itchy to use it. Let me make similar line and you, who know who you are, read this:

I've been posting less and less on these Boards exactly because of this. Because the Mod Team recently got too obssesed with pressing that DELETE button. Because of your high horse. Because YOU require civil discussion, and I HAVE to do as your rules say, but some members of your team cannot be bothered to spend 5 seconds googling obvious Rhaast quote or because some members of your team cannot be bothered to read 6 words before they hit that DELETE button.

If you want to lecture me, let ME lecture you - the DELETE button is serious tool of regulation and I am not being demanding or uncivil when I require you to do as small of a task as to read the whole post before you throw yourself at the button. I can tolerate many things but this is example of a mod literally not understanding what QUOTE is, not being bothered to read 6 words but I am glad he is still allowed to have access to DELETE button.

And there was no reason to delete my original post because I literally did what the rule demands:

I literally just half-defended Moody P, stating that he doesn't defend CT designs by principle because there is at least one he not only criticised but outright hates.

And I will say this one more time to stress how ridiculous this situation is. My post had 6 words. It was easier for this mod to jump at DELETE button than to read them. Also, the announcement states it was sent by Riot Games, but it wasn't Rioter's action, it was of a specific mod - just to clear that to someone who might be unfimiliar with these announcements.

They disagreed with you so they removed it. They have a tendency to abuse their mod privileges from time to time.

ModThe Djinn2 votes

Updated my pinned comment with new information.

AetherArising2 votes

Is this moderator by any chance Academy Kayn? For the most part i respect mods decisions but i've never agreed with the removals he makes.

GenoXx2 votes

Stuff like this is bound to happen when Riot let players handle the work they should be doing them selves....There's been plenty of bias cases from the "mods" on these boards.

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