Post removed. Tell me how I should have worded this.

mlm olo mlm·Oct 31, 2018·2 votes·2,826 views

Hey mlm olo mlm,

We've recently removed your post for violating the Golden Rule on the Boards: "Don't be a jerk: Always be respectful to players, community members, moderators, and Rioters. Harassment and insults will not be tolerated".

Your removed content:

This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children. Don't you dare criticize the "mentally handicapped". Don't you dare take the game seriously. You are to stand and watch until they get bored.

EDIT: Now the moderators are going through my entire post history. Removing posts that have been there for days if not weeks.

74 Comments

AlzonOct 31, 20188 votes

I believe it’s properly-worded already. As in, deleted. Pure inflammatory bait.

ModThe DjinnOct 31, 20188 votes

This rewording would be appropriate:

"I feel like players who don't seem to take the game seriously have an out-sized impact on players who do take the game seriously, and we are restricted in how we express our displeasure at their playstyles."

No comparison of players to the mentally handicapped will be acceptable, nor will mocking the mentally handicapped.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0004,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:22:07.418+0000) No comparison of players to the mentally handicapped will be acceptable,

WTF. Mentally handicapped are just different types of people. I can't compare people?

nor will mocking the mentally handicapped.

I didn't mock the mentally handicapped.

ModThe DjinnOct 31, 20187 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:32:36.280+0000)WTF. Mentally handicapped are just different types of people. I can't compare people?

Perhaps I was unclear: No comparison of players to the mentally handicapped will be acceptable. Your comparison is very clearly saying -- intentionally or otherwise -- "playing with these people is like playing with the mentally handicapped," which is effectively saying "these people are mentally handicapped when playing this game."

I didn't mock the mentally handicapped.

This comes across as mocking:

This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children. You are to stand and watch until they get bored.

Intended or not, we moderate based on how your words come across, not on what you personally meant to say.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=000400000000,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:35:29.672+0000)

Perhaps I was unclear: No comparison of players to the mentally handicapped will be acceptable.

Perhaps I was unclear: Mentally handicapped people are still people.

Your comparison is very clearly saying -- intentionally or otherwise -- "playing with these people is like playing with the mentally handicapped," which is effectively saying "these people are mentally handicapped when playing this game."

No it's fucking not. I'm saying THIS GAME feels like playing with mentally handicapped people. To which, I have real life experience.

This comes across as mocking. You are to stand and watch until they get bored.

It's not. Says nothing bad about mentally handicapped people.

Intended or not, we moderate based on how your words come across, not on what you personally meant to say.

Thus, why I am here asking for help.

ModThe DjinnOct 31, 20185 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0004000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:40:00.211+0000)Perhaps I was unclear: Mentally handicapped people are still people.

I'm not suggesting they aren't. I'm suggesting implying that people are "like mentally handicapped people" and using "mentally handicapped" as the identifying trait in common is not okay. It is -- simply put -- insulting both to the mentally handicapped (implying that playing with them requires just watching until they get bored and you have to be super careful not to criticize them) and to those being called mentally handicapped in the comparison.

You may disagree. That's frankly not really relevant here. What is relevant here is that this sort of statement is not okay on the boards.

Thus, why I am here asking for help.

Which I provided in my original post. That is the acceptable way to phrase this sort of statement.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=00040000000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:43:26.108+0000)

I'm not suggesting they aren't.

You said I'm not allowed to compare mentally handicapped people. AT ALL. A people vs people comparison should be allowed.

I don't see you saying I'm not allowed to compare "genius" people with average people.

I'm suggesting implying that people are "like mentally handicapped people"

That is not a quote of anything I said.
Handicapped people ARE people. Thus, some people ACTUALLY ARE SIMILAR.

and using "mentally handicapped" as the identifying trait in common is not okay.

I never said that.

I described MY PERSONAL EXPERIENCE. I DID NOT PERSONALLY ATTACK ANYONE. NOR DID I COMPARE ANYONE.

I compared my experience playing league, with my experience playing real life sports.

It is -- simply put -- insulting both to the mentally handicapped (implying that playing with them requires just watching until they get bored and you have to be super careful not to criticize them)

It's the fucking truth. I have REAL LIFE experience. People LITERALLY did not guard them. THEY STAND THERE AND LET THEM SHOOT FOR FREE.

and to those being called mentally handicapped in the comparison.

Who specifically did I call mentally handicapped?

That is the acceptable way to phrase this sort of statement.

That isn't what I said. That is your own made up bull shit.

It's like I said, "I would like to eat oranges." You make me change it to, "Eating apples is ok."

Nik NikersonNov 1, 20181 votes

How about, instead of having a pointless argument you won't win, just don't do something you're being told not to do. Problem solved.

StraconyOct 31, 20182 votes

In short:

I am right, you are wrong. Sit down and shut up.

PC Principle - 2018

ModThe DjinnOct 31, 20187 votes

{quoted}I am right, you are wrong. Sit down and shut up.

More "I am in charge of enforcing the rules and have both the authority to do so and knowledge of what Riot's goals are for community behavior, and this violates those rules."

But yes, there is a certain point where it becomes "Follow the rules even if you do not personally agree with them or do not use the boards."

StraconyOct 31, 20181 votes

That can be twisted to suit any narrative you wish.

Lol, this is how fascism starts.

ModThe DjinnOct 31, 20185 votes

{quoted}That can be twisted to suit any narrative you wish.

It is also how rules work. If I keep trying to bring my horse into Starbucks and they keep telling me it's not okay to bring my horse into Starbucks, I either need to leave my horse at home or find another coffee shop.

You are welcome to post here as long as you follow the rules we have, or you are welcome to seek out a community with rules better suited to the experience you want to have.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=000400000000000000000001000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-31T21:16:59.897+0000)

It is also how rules work. If I keep trying to bring my horse into Starbucks and they keep telling me it's not okay to bring my horse into Starbucks, I either need to leave my horse at home or find another coffee shop.

You are welcome to post here as long as you follow the rules we have, or you are welcome to seek out a community with rules better suited to the experience you want to have.

Stop arguing off topic.

StraconyOct 31, 20181 votes

just depends to what sort of interpretation you wish to fit your narrative of the rules I suppose.

cause lets face it, no matter how you wish to paint it, the OP's original post in still based in truth. Just truth YOU don't like.

The majority of the player base has less of a collective IQ than a under-developed fetus. The majority of the players in game are equal to trying to stop a group of children running into a busy street.

It's a serious wonder how some of them reach puberty

ModUlanopoOct 31, 20184 votes

{quoted}

cause lets face it, no matter how you wish to paint it, the OP's original post in still based in truth. Just truth YOU don't like.

Actually, the OP's post is an opinion and a characterization. Frankly, we don't care about the opinion. We do care about how that opinion is expressed on the Boards. Referring to people or groups of people as "retarded" (or any variant thereof) simply isn't allowed.

IcyPepperOct 31, 20184 votes

Between you and me, I finally found a coffee shop that allowed horses but was disappointed because it was full of shit.

So I got over it, left my horse at home, and went back to Starbucks.

GilgayuOct 31, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0004000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2018-10-31T21:04:06.030+0000)

More "I am in charge of enforcing the rules and have both the authority to do so and knowledge of what Riot's goals are for community behavior, and this violates those rules."

But yes, there is a certain point where it becomes "Follow the rules even if you do not personally agree with them or do not use the boards."

Tbh I completely feels the boards is fair in all cases... I mean, there are plenty of posts of how bad this game is or how bad riot is, and riot hasn't deleted them, because the posts aren't offensive to some people, but rather a strong way of protest, which can be seen as a biased suggestion for game improvement nonetheless.

xDingwithsaladOct 31, 20184 votes

Sounds like you were a tool that didn't provide any helpful content and were simply berating people.

AeroWaffleOct 31, 20183 votes

There's no correct way to word what you said and it remain within the bounds of the board rules. The intent is pretty clear.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20182 votes

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There's no correct way to word what you said and it remain within the bounds of the board rules. The intent is pretty clear.

Intent? Please do tell what you think my intent was.

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20182 votes

Well, you were either intending on referring to people who play this game as physically / mentally inept to the point of being incapable of performing the most nominal functions expected of them. ... ... Or, you failed to express your intent completely.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

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Well, you were either intending on referring to people who play this game as physically / mentally inept to the point of being incapable of performing the most nominal functions expected of them. ...

Wow. No. There is a spectrum of mental disability. Some people are literally wheel chair bound and can barely communicate. Others are better off.

Or, you failed to express your intent completely.

Then the person I was responding to shouldn't be saying "The intent is pretty clear."

AeroWaffleOct 31, 20183 votes

If you didn't intend on referring to people as mentally handicapped, then you probably shouldn't have referred to people as being mentally handicapped.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

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If you didn't intend on referring to people as mentally handicapped, then you probably shouldn't have referred to people as being mentally handicapped.

I didn't call anyone mentally handicapped.

Besides, being mentally handicapped is allowed.

AeroWaffleOct 31, 20183 votes

This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children. ... Don't you dare take the game seriously. You are to stand and watch until they get bored.

At this point, through looking at your replies, I believe that you're intentionally trying to get your statements through a loophole by not being directly insulting or mocking. Detecting sarcasm and mockery is not a lost art that the elders need to be consulted on.

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20184 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0002000000000000,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:35:41.159+0000)

Wow. No. There is a spectrum of mental disability. Some people are literally wheel chair bound and can barely communicate. Others are better off.

Then the person I was responding to shouldn't be saying "The intent is pretty clear."

A person who is wheel chair bound is physically incapable of being able to walk, which is considered a nominal function for a human, as is the ability to communicate. So you are either just backpedaling now because to you this sounds worse the way I worded it, even though that is exactly the way it sounds to everyone else, or you really need to learn how to express yourself properly. .. or both.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

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A person who is wheel chair bound is physically incapable of being able to walk, which is considered a nominal function for a human, as is the ability to communicate. So you are either just backpedaling now because to you this sounds worse the way I worded it, even though that is exactly the way it sounds to everyone else, or you really need to learn how to express yourself properly. .. or both.

You claimed ALL mentally handicapped people are:

incapable of performing the most nominal functions expected of them.

WHICH IS ABSOLUTE BULL SHIT LIES.

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20181 votes

The literal definition of "handicapped"

having a condition that markedly restricts one's ability to function physically, mentally, or socially.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

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The literal definition of "handicapped"

having a condition that markedly restricts one's ability to function physically, mentally, or socially.

Let's compare to your definition:

incapable of performing the most nominal functions expected of them.

Looks like you added an escalation.

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20183 votes

Don't try and twist my words to make yourself feel better.

I'm referring to the function that a person is incapable of doing as being nominal, as in something that a human should be capable of doing.

I'm not saying that they can't do anything.

You're the one who is comparing people, or even your experience interacting with people, to people that are handicapped in the first place.

mlm olo mlmOct 31, 20181 votes

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Don't try and twist my words to make yourself feel better.

I directly quoted you.

I'm not going to respond to you anymore. You aren't willing to stand behind your own words.

Elite4RunnerOct 31, 20183 votes

You aren't willing to stand behind your own words.

#IRONY

GilgayuOct 31, 20182 votes

If you ever taken any history class after elementary school, you will know

No one give a s*** about what you meant when you said something 'Cause what's important is what it sounds like to them and others, which makes wording so important in this world.

Your words were seen as possiblily offensive, so it is therefore removed from the board, simple as that.

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

No it's not as simple as that.

I'm asking how to APPROPRIATELY phrase my sentence.

Which you ignored.

GilgayuNov 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=00050000,timestamp=2018-11-01T00:38:53.997+0000)

No it's not as simple as that.

I'm asking how to APPROPRIATELY phrase my sentence.

Which you ignored.

It's actually quite simple, If you find some players worse than "normal" (or what ever the issue is), just keep it to yourself. There are plenty of sensitive people out there, and even though I don't care whatsoever if you call me a retard, there are others who care, and gets offended by it. You just dont phrase your sentence if it has any chance of breaking the policy, if you can't just get over the fact of your statement being deleted and you doesn't try to avoid the same thing happening again but rather complain about the boards' decision, then don't you think the boards is justified to try to make the community better?

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

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It's actually quite simple, If you find some players worse than "normal" (or what ever the issue is), just keep it to yourself. There are plenty of sensitive people out there, and even though I don't care whatsoever if you call me a retard, there are others who care, and gets offended by it. You just dont phrase your sentence if it has any chance of breaking the policy, if you can't just get over the fact of your statement being deleted and you doesn't try to avoid the same thing happening again but rather complain about the boards' decision, then don't you think the boards is justified to try to make the community better?

You still ignored the entire point of this thread.

Tell me how to appropriately phrase my sentence. So that it is within the rules of this forum.

AeroWaffleNov 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0005000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-01T01:05:26.790+0000)

You still ignored the entire point of this thread.

Tell me how to appropriately phrase my sentence. So that it is within the rules of this forum.

That seems to be covered pretty well in the pinned post.

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

{quoted}

That seems to be covered pretty well in the pinned post.

Then why are you here?

The thread only has one purpose. You aren't contributing.

AeroWaffleNov 1, 20181 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=000500000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-01T01:39:20.650+0000)

Then why are you here?

The thread only has one purpose. You aren't contributing.

I can ask you the same question then,

The request, "Tell me how to appropriately phrase my sentence." has been answered. Yet you're still here. If that was the purpose you would be gone by now.

ModUlanopoOct 31, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-10-31T20:15:39.832+0000)

EDIT: Now the moderators are going through my entire post history. Removing posts that have been there for days if not weeks.

Both your removals from today are from threads posted in the last day and they're both violations of the "please don't refer to other people as 'retards'" policy.

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

Bull shit. I never called anyone a retard. I thought the word was censored.

Why don't you answer my question?

ModUlanopoNov 1, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=00060000,timestamp=2018-11-01T00:36:43.006+0000)

Bull shit. I never called anyone a retard. I thought the word was censored.

"That "special needs" kid is a lot like the average league player." "This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children." "Don't you dare criticize the "mentally handicapped". Don't you dare take the game seriously."

Nothing more than variations on a theme, my dude. A theme not allowed on the boards.

Why don't you answer my question?

Your question was:

Tell me how I should have worded this.

Answer:

"I find it really frustrating to play with people who don't take the game seriously or who just aren't good at it. It makes me angry."

Salt with profanity to taste, as long as it isn't aimed at an individual or group.

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

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"That "special needs" kid is a lot like the average league player."

Didn't use the word "retard". Which word am I supposed to use if I can't use "special needs"? Edit: also taking that quote extremely out of context.

"This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children."

How do I rephrase that so it is acceptable? You keep telling me it's bad while mentioning no alternatives.

"Don't you dare criticize the "mentally handicapped".

That is not what I said at all. It is an intentional misquote.

Don't you dare take the game seriously."

Not insulting. Not calling anyone "retard".

Your question was:

That is the question of the thread. Not the question I asked you specifically.

"I find it really frustrating to play with people who don't take the game seriously or who just aren't good at it. It makes me angry."

That is a completely different topic than the one I was discussing.

It's like I want to say, "My handicapped friend plays awesome." You make me change it to, "I'm not thrilled with the way some people play." You are muddling the focus.

ModUlanopoNov 1, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-01T01:33:48.859+0000)

That is not what I said at all. It is an intentional misquote.

Not possible. All three quotes were copy/pasted directly from your removals. And, no, that wasn't you quoting someone else.

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

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Not possible. All three quotes were copy/pasted directly from your removals. And, no, that wasn't you quoting someone else.

Those bold words in there? I don't think so.

You ignored everything else I said.

ModUlanopoNov 1, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=mlm olo mlm,realm=NA,application-id=6heBIhQc,discussion-id=4BYMxmfO,comment-id=0006000000000000,timestamp=2018-11-01T01:33:48.859+0000)

It's like I want to say, "My handicapped friend plays awesome." You make me change it to, "I'm not thrilled with the way some people play." You are muddling the focus.

What's wrong with "my handicapped friend plays awesome"?

Not that that's what you even remotely were saying.

Let's look at the full context.

That "special needs" kid is a lot like the average league player. Gets to play however they want. Despite going against the rules and spirit of the game. Not allowed to be criticized at all. Never punished or encouraged to changed their behavior. No individual recognition. Team wins or loses together.

Nope, no "that player is awesome" here.

This game honestly feels like playing with "special needs" children. Don't you dare criticize the "mentally handicapped". Don't you dare take the game seriously. You are to stand and watch until they get bored.

Nothing positive there, either.

GilgayuNov 1, 20182 votes

To be completely honest, at this point this post is just pointless --- all questions answered, multiple examples given, clear explanation of what the policy wants.... what else do you wish for man

mlm olo mlmNov 1, 20181 votes

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To be completely honest, at this point this post is just pointless --- all questions answered, multiple examples given, clear explanation of what the policy wants.... what else do you wish for man

I've told you what I want 3 times now. You ignored it every time. Not once have you been on topic.