I don't care if you think Draven's new Passive is "fine" or not. It's still a terrible Passive.

5G8Nri0B54·Apr 29, 2014·0 votes·273 views

If you're snowballing, you're snowballing already, that crappy passive isn't going to do jack. If you're behind, that Passive isn't going to do a thing either because you aren't going to be activating that Passive with a Draven who is behind.

But let's ignore balance for a while and talk about satisfaction. Draven's Passive just plain feels terrible. His Passive makes Draven the first champion in LoL that gives the player a legitimate reason to rage at their ally for ks-ing. It actually makes getting ks feel really sh*tty because deep down you know the longer you hold onto all those stacks, the worst it will feel once you lose them, making your allied assassin a rival fighting over kills. It makes him completely incompatible with his own brother Darius who is the king of kill stealing. Not to mention, you gave him his old overpowered Passive to show that he is Darius' blood brother with his ability to make his opponent bleed just like Darius.

You succeeded in giving Draven a Passive that literally makes the player feel worse. Kill an opponent with little stacks built, then you feel pissed that you practically have no Passive. Die(which is easy for Draven to do) with a lot of stack built, and bang, all that time and hard work gone. You literally gave the player controlling Draven justification to rage at having his kill stolen because Assists means NOTHING to Draven.

It's not like other champions who build up stacks where their pay-off is often immediate and substantial. Or it's not like other similar Passives that also procs on minion kills or Assists.

Just adjust the rest of his kit if you really feel too afraid to give him a Passive that isn't disappointing. Take the time to adjust his numbers. Or think up something less infuriating. Give it an actual icon rather than a cropped image of Draven's portrait. The only people who genuinely likes his new Passive are those who do not like going up against Draven, or those who pretends to play Draven, but likes the whole "League of Draven" meme.

15 Comments

Remlap1223Apr 29, 20142 votes

Draven's passive is fine. It's meant to make you snowball from the beginning, not give you consistent potential. His passive is solid as long as you know what you are doing (never play Draven unless you're experienced, and absolutely never play Draven if the game is lagging even slightly.) It's a great way to get ahead of everyone in your build (even if your early game sucks, you can come back with that passive and complete your build.)

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

Look, if you're behind, that Passive really isn't going to be softening how badly you're doing. Unless the enemy seriously defecates their bed, his Passive isn't going to be helping. And in the case where this really happens any other ADC's would be able to take advantage of that situation and still turn the game around themselves. With, or without a half-assed Passive Riot is too lazy to give an icon to.

But again, I'm not talking about BALANCE here.

MackleDogeApr 29, 20142 votes

You don't have to be doing badly to be behind, first off. Secondly, not sure why you are so salty about this passive, nor am I sure why it's taken you this long since the change to suddenly be so butthurt about it. Just because he gets a passive change doesn't mean it needs a new icon, that's hardly important. The fact is that a lot of people like the Draven passive and think it's solid. It rewards you for being consistent in catching your axes and capitalizing on trades bottom or picking someone off in an early rotation or mid-game teamfight.

Also, what strange world are you living in that an ADC can just magically solo turn around a losing lane without the enemy making a huge mistake? Draven is capable of making plays just like any other ADC, he isn't under-powered and he doesn't have a kit build issue.

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

Again you're completely missing the point here. This Passive only comes to actual use when the enemy screws up, letting Draven make a comeback if he actually manages to cash it in. Except any other ADC's would have turned the game around in that kind of situation already, with or without his incomplete passive. Also, it's not a matter or him not having a new icon, but rather they were lazy enough to take his portrait, zoom in to his face, and call it a day.

PS - Vayne did what you described incredibly well. Well, she did, I don't know if she could anymore, but there was a time she could do that quite consistently.

MackleDogeApr 29, 20141 votes

....Umm, other than the obvious fact that Draven getting a kill isn't always based off of an enemy mistake (people die in teamfights, that happens) there isn't anything wrong with having a passive that is based off of capitalizing in lane and working to poke your opponent down with your support and then use a good ult or get a good gank from the jungler. Draven's old passive was terrible, that's just how it is. It encouraged constant poke and run away with no interaction and gave no opportunity for counterplay. That is the definition of a bad passive, and if you don't get that, then I don't think you're actually interested in a discussion at all, you just want to complain.

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

Gee, Twitch and Teemo must be terribly designed champions.

Was Draven's old Passive too powerful? Yes, but that's why Riot has a team dedicated and PAID to balance the game. They could easily have balanced it.

MackleDogeApr 29, 20141 votes

Speaking of Vayne, you're complaining about Draven's passive requiring the enemy to mess up and make a mistake. Nothing is a more stupid mistake then trying to 1v1 Vayne and getting dumpstered, so that's definitely not the example you're looking for.

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ComicallyMissingThePoint?from=Main.CompletelyMissingThePoint

MackleDogeApr 29, 20142 votes

Be salty, I think this thread makes it quite obvious how your opinion stands in comparison to the rest of the community <3

TulareApr 29, 20142 votes

You're arguing that his passive promotes toxicity and is un-fun. I guess it might promote toxicity in some players. For me, the tension I feel as stacks build and the rush when I get a kill while carrying many stacks is thrilling. Is it disappointing to die and lose stacks? Of course, but that risk is what creates the tension. And don't say that assists mean nothing to Draven. He doesn't get bonus income but he still gets the regular assist reward, he still gets 30 seconds to dominate his lane.

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

And he's still missing a Passive because Sona decided to help out at that specific moment.

CaptainWednesdayApr 29, 20141 votes

Compared to his previous passive (which can be argued against the same way you're arguing this one), it is a much better alternative.

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

It is a much better alternative because...

How about actually adding something to your comment.

CerbearusApr 29, 20141 votes

It is interesting as is further cements his high-risk, high-reward playstyle. You do a lot of damage if you get in the thick of things but you have to be careful so you do not lose stacks before cashing them in.

The old bleed passive promoted just hitting them once then running away (which isn't really high-risk, but VERY high-reward).

5G8Nri0B54Apr 29, 20141 votes

And all they could have done is just tweak it's numbers so it wouldn't be so OP. Or edit how it'd work, like only bleed under certain situations.

You're forgetting one important thing here, and that is, there are people in Riot who are paid to balance the game.