Is it possible to make Miss Fortune's Q not a DPS loss later in the game? Kickback may be too strong

5G8Nri0B54·May 16, 2014·5 votes·550 views

It's pretty much universally accepted that her Q is only good for bullying during the laning phase. But by the time MF starts becoming a carry with her build starting up and her W starting to get some levels, her Q acts as a detriment to her DPS due to it's cast time.

Only time where it's even practical to use it by that point in the game is if you need just that one little hit to finish off an enemy champion, and that champion just so happened to place himself perfectly in front of another enemy unit within range of her Q.

Of course, I can totally see how making it not kickback as hard would be OP on MF as a lane-bully. In that case, is there a way to make her Q not a DPS loss late game, yet not change how it works in lane?

14 Comments

PhoneixflareMay 21, 20142 votes

Make the animation scale with attack speed. :]

5G8Nri0B54May 21, 20142 votes

Make the animation scale with attack speed. :]

That I can definitely get behind. It definitely makes sense, and gives her Q a little more synergy with what she builds and her W as well.

PhoneixflareMay 25, 20141 votes

Yeah I mean it only makes sense. I was wondering why it didnt scale with attack speed before.

GROMMIMay 16, 20141 votes

Hm.. I disagree, kindly. I feel that her Q is useable between AA delays as additional burst. I often find myself chaining it with an AA, or cancelling AA delay with it.

5G8Nri0B54May 16, 20141 votes

Well yes, that's how you're supposed to use her Q generally. That is how it's commonly used in lane. But once your build gets going, that combo is weaker than simply AA-ing, which is a problem in design.

Often times if an ability reduces DPS when used in a fight, it often serves a different purpose for said champion. For example, Caitlyn's Q? Sure it reduces her DPS if she's AA-ing, but it's also a powerful and reliable long range poke for when she isn't engaged.

CaptainWednesdayMay 16, 20141 votes

Maybe if as you added points into the Q, it reduced the cast/animation time?

Remlap1223May 17, 20141 votes

What I'd do is have it be an on hit effect. Activate Q, and the next autoattack will have the effect. You could easily implement this buy having guidemarks hover over a creep or champion you hover your mouse over. Click to double up. I also think MF needs a boost on her E. The DPS is way too low.

5G8Nri0B54May 17, 20141 votes

tbh I don't think her E was ever meant to inflict damage in the first place...I mean, if it was, then it's a massive failure on Riot's part.

And I think you mean "on next attack". On-hit would be something like her W.

Remlap1223May 17, 20141 votes

No I meant on hit effect. Like her W, except her shot bounces to the next enemy instead of inflicting grievous wounds. It'd be great for that little bit of burst damage. And her E used to do a ton of damage before her rework. Now it's a lot less. They just need to increase the DPS, not the damage itself.

5G8Nri0B54May 17, 20141 votes

Oh, I get it. Speaking of on-hit effect, it's always odd how the 2nd bounce, the one that takes a lot more effort to land, the that's supposed to be rewarding, doesn't proc TF's spellblade.

Remlap1223May 17, 20141 votes

Yeah I feel that should proc the on hit effects too. Well it does, but sheen is only for the first hit, so it wouldn't work. Black cleaver and Wit's End both proc on the second hit.

5G8Nri0B54May 17, 20141 votes

Wouldn't know why MF would ever build Wit's End on her though...maybe if her R proc'd on-hit effects rather than just her W?

I've actually considered building Black Cleaver on her before, then I realize I'll be doing it mostly for her Ultimate only, and I wouldn't know what to have it replace.

If only her E did physical damage...that way it'd benefit from Last Whisper AND it'd have some damn synergy.

Remlap1223May 18, 20141 votes

Wits end because it amplifies her magic damage from her w. It slowly whittles away their magic resist, so not only does it do more 42 more magic damage instantly, but it also causes her magic damage to scale even higher against her targets. Plus the magic resistance and natural attack speed boost work amazing on her. Add the active effect of her W, and your opponent will have no armor, no magic resistance, and no healing.