If you really wanted AP Miss Fortune to be a thing, why did you remove her W ratios to begin with?

5G8Nri0B54·5/10/2014, 10:56:39 PM·3 votes·523 views

You now gave her an AP ratio on her Q, a physical ability, because you apparently wanted to encourage a noob trap build. I'm not too thrilled at the prospect of having a chance to get an AP MF as an ally, but alright, whatever.

What I really don't understand is why you removed the AP scaling from her W? Was it damaging AD MF in anyway? Was it remotely close to being OP(or hell, impactful at all) in anyway? No, the scaling you removed was insignificant and weak to start off.

Yet after her W's remake, one Rioter mentioned wanting to make AP MF a thing, except that is completely contradicted by her AP ratios being removed from her W.

So what was up with that?

9 Comments

Steelflame5/11/2014, 2:40:37 AM2 votes

Because it would almost without a doubt be unholy broken on her ult because her ult damage stacks with her W. Even a .05 AP ratio would add up to a .75 AP ratio per bullet in extreme circumstances on R.

a 7.5 total AP ratio on her ult.

Remlap12235/11/2014, 1:12:16 AM1 votes

The reason being that her former build was very poorly implemented. One of the selling points on Miss Fortune was her identity as a dueling marksman, and the only marksmen that could really outduel her is Twitch and Vayne. Her W was scaled poorly to AP, which you wouldn't build because Miss Fortune is an ADC. Don't add the AP ratios back to the W, extend them on her E and R. The AP scaling on her E is piss weak, and so is it on her ultimate. I could care less about the Q and W changes, but if you buff her E and R AP scaling, I'd probably give AP MF a whirl again.

Professor Picke5/13/2014, 12:26:30 AM

I used to play Ap MF all the time, it was great. I built on hit effect items like wits end and nashors tooth. (as maxing w after e was actually viable)

Now it's changed to a very bad, and boring way to play.

Her q scales with ap, but deals ad, so it's pretty bad. Good for lichbane though, as with c/d it's about 2 seconds.

Her w is pretty much useless, other than being used with your ult for the small ap damage bonus, and to land more q's. (it prioritizes things affected by her w more)

Her e is really her main lane damage source, and it sucks at it's job. I find the increased duration ironically forces her to farm more instead of trade,(Assuming the increased duration was done to reduce e last hitting) and also looks kind of clunky.

Her ult is powerful, but the sea is a cruel mistress, as it also scales with ad.

Now here's my suggestions.

The Q can stay the same (as a lich bane proc tool). The W can scale with ap. The Ult should have it's ap scaling removed to compensate for the ap ratio in the w.

The E should either revert the e duration change, or become instant cast like how Katarina's ult was changed. Either starting the damage instantly, the slows instantly or both instantly. (though changing the slow to apply instantly would affect ad mf aswell) If the problem with the e was that it's too good at pushing minion waves... simply make it reduced damage to minions!

With these changes, Ap on hit mf can actually be a really viable pick! Her w will go well with on hit again, and it wont cause problems with her ult. The e changes would make her e a better tool for damage and/or for catching people with auto attacks. One of my favorite parts is that her ults ap scaling will actually deal ap damage (from the w!)

I'll be honest i like the changes for ad mf, but it ruins it for ap mf.

(extra) One of the very fun (and powerful) ways to lane with on hit mf, was to e them, and while they were slowed, auto attack them as much as possible, (to build up dem stax). It hurt, and in a good scenario, they could hardly fight back at all. All they try to do is escape the circle. If they did fight back, then they would receive the full duration of damage from the e, AND you would simply build more stax. This was very easily counterable though, as if you had any mobility (flash, playfull/trickster,riven-mid,lb, ect) you could easily get out. If you had sustain, she could never get you low enough to finish you off with her ult. Also she's rather squish, and has no real excapes so if someone like xin zhao ganks AND lands an e, she can't fend him off. (though her passive speed and e slow can stop him before he's close enough)

I miss out damaging enemy adc's mid game with your auto attacks, or dealing unexpected damages with your ult and e to finish someone off. It's a really fun build, and i'd really like to see it again :c