Which one should I buy? They both seem pretty fun, but I haven't played much of either. I'm waiting for them to go on free week and sale. Which one is funner, which more viable, which stronger? What else should I know?
CaptainWednesday2 votesI really like both Rengar and Lissandra. They each have their own clear cut weaknesses and strengths. Honestly, it depends on what you want them for.
Are you getting them to play in Solo Queue or in a Team match? If Solo, use Rengar; if Team, use Lissandra.
Do you plan on going jungle? If yes, play Rengar.
Do you plan on going top? If yes, you can use either. Both have great escape and lane dominance.
Do you plan on going mid? If yes, play Lissandra.
Do you plan on going bot? If yes, do not think about either of these champions.
If I had to say, I think Rengar is a little more "in" right now with the whole mobile meta. Go with him.
Hyrum Graff2 votesDo you plan on going bot? If yes, do not think about either of these champions.
Lissandra makes a pretty good support, IMO.
I've also taken liss jungle, where she benefits from the same qualities. It's not quite as good as support (she struggles with hp during the early clear, though maybe less with the machete changes).
CaptainWednesday1 votesYou know, I was inclined to put Lissandra as a possible support, but I just cant seem to get it going. While all the points you listen are fair on paper, they do not exactly come to life in lane. She does not have any type of resistance (shields) or sustain (heals) against poke. Lissandra is really good at holding down one champion, but in the bottom lane there are two enemy champions, plus you have to worry about your partner's rear end.
All and all, I just do not think Lissandra can make for a good support as she really does not fit the support role. Hard CC and the mage class does not qualify Lissandra as a support. As much as I love her, I just can't say she's a support :'(
Hyrum Graff1 votesLissandra is really good at holding down one champion, but in the bottom lane there are two enemy champions, plus you have to worry about your partner's rear end.
It's all about positioning ;)
Hard CC and the mage class does not qualify Lissandra as a support. -snip-
By that logic, Annie doesn't make a good support, either.
I think the defining characteristic of a support is the ability to be useful without CS. That doesn't have to mean CC - for example, I think Vel'Koz is a great support, who brings less CC than Liss - it's because he has great poke and damage that doesn't need AP behind it to hurt. In Liss's case, it is CC, and with the sheer quantity of it that she has, I've found that she doesn't need cs to be useful.
CaptainWednesday1 votesExcept Tibbers (R) and Incinerate (E) can mass stun (3rd hardest form of CC) for a long duration. She also has her W for a nice buffer. Lissandra does not have that luxury.
Hyrum Graff1 votes3rd hardest? What's harder than a stun aside from suppression?
In terms of initiation, I think Liss's E-W-R (self) works as well as tibbers, is significantly more reliable (easier to get in range), and has the potential to be safer (up to 5 seconds of self-invuln with ult and zhonya's - though this is assuming your team folows up, I think that's a reasonable assumption.
CaptainWednesday1 votesTaunt. Or Yasuo's knockup + ultimate as the knockup's duration is not reduced by Tenacity.
That's true, but once you're encased, the enemy laners can go to town on your ADC if you have not stopped them. It's a 2v1 for 2.5 seconds, which may not sound like a lot, but it's enough time for the enemy to really hurt your ADC.
Hyrum Graff1 votesOh, I was talking about engaging for teamfights. For skirmishes in lane, I almost always combo with:
E-R(enemy adc)-Q(while they're stunned)-W-Q
2v1 for 2.5 seconds, which may not sound like a lot, but it's enough time for the enemy to really hurt your ADC.
By the same token, when the enemy adc is stunned for 1.5 seconds and their support is slowed, that's a long time for you to wreck them (usually you can tank their support's CC during the 1.5 seconds, giving your adc 1.5s to hammer freely on the enemy adc).
CaptainWednesday1 votesOh I'm not sure a support is just going to let you sit there and wail on their carry. Plenty of supports could then counter-ult (Lulu, Leona, Braum, Morgana, etc.) weakening your engage. Then they can hop on you.
I suppose it's all about positioning and matchups. I just feel as thought plenty of supports could do Lissandra's job in the bottom lane better and with more "support".
