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CAN NOT BLIND SHEN!!!

Bauchelain··3 votes·1,519 views

http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1832976924/204077184?tab=overview

EDIT: WHEN AN ON-HIT EFFECT IS ACTIVATING OFF OF AN ATTACK THAT DOESN'T EVEN DO DAMAGE BECAUSE IT MISSES, THAT IS A BUG. STOP WITH THOSE IDIOTIC REPLIES. "Oops, my knife missed, good thing it does magic damage when I don't hit things."

I was Super Teemo top vs Shen, and my blind failed to affect him about 90% of that game. In one particular instance I blinded him as he was getting his last 3 hits on my tower and he just happily kept hitting it. He took damage but for no reason at all he just would not be blinded. 90% is the conservative estimate, as I can only think of one attack that missed in the ENTIRE MATCH... and he may have cancelled it.

So of course, this disgusting community had 6 people (both teams obviously) trash talking me in the post game lobby (because Riot doesn't care what anyone says there) and of course a few were doing it in-game as well. Thanks, Riot. Really glad I've put so much money into you making this a great experience for me every step of the way. /sarcasm

30 Comments

Ethereal Sun3 votes

Shen has a passive that activates on hit that will Deal % (Shen's max) Hp in magic damage. When he is blinded the normal Physical damage that would be dealt will not go through. But the passive magic damage on hit will. I can definitely see how he would be able to Farm even while blinded for 1.5 secs (You didn't level up blinding dart until level 12). Shen also had no attack speed so it would be likely that the blind would run out before he started attacking again.

Long story short: It's not a bug, it's just that Shen's on hit passive naturally goes through blind.

Bauchelain2 votes

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Shen has a passive that activates on hit that will Deal % (Shen's max) Hp in magic damage. When he is blinded the normal Physical damage that would be dealt will not go through. But the passive magic damage on hit will. I can definitely see how he would be able to Farm even while blinded for 1.5 secs (You didn't level up blinding dart until level 12). Shen also had no attack speed so it would be likely that the blind would run out before he started attacking again.

Long story short: It's not a bug, it's just that Shen's on hit passive naturally goes through blind.

If the physical attack can't land then it's not hitting, so there is no "on-hit". I own Shen, I know how he works.

This is a bug.

Ethereal Sun1 votes

Shen was the 1st champ I played, I took a liking to him and he's been my main ever since. Now in Plat I know how most match-ups for Shen work. For Good measure me and two of my friends made a custom game to test Shen getting blinded and it did like I said before; the physical damage missed because he was blind but the on hit magic damage went through. That's how the champion was designed.

Long Story Short: I tested it, It did what I said would happen earlier.

I'm sorry that you had a bad game, (I've been having a string of them recently myself actually) and Toxicity is something that I wish we had less of. I hope for better games to you in the future. On the bright side you can bring this information with you in future games.

Bauchelain1 votes

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Shen was the 1st champ I played, I took a liking to him and he's been my main ever since. Now in Plat I know how most match-ups for Shen work. For Good measure me and two of my friends made a custom game to test Shen getting blinded and it did like I said before; the physical damage missed because he was blind but the on hit magic damage went through. That's how the champion was designed.

Long Story Short: I tested it, It did what I said would happen earlier.

I'm sorry that you had a bad game, (I've been having a string of them recently myself actually) and Toxicity is something that I wish we had less of. I hope for better games to you in the future. On the bright side you can bring this information with you in future games.

You're mistaken in thinking that I don't understand what happened. The point is that it SHOULD NOT HAPPEN THAT WAY. If a physical attack misses that's the end of it. There is no on-hit when there's no hit. It's like Teemo being blinded by Quinn, what if his auto attack misses but Quinn gets poisoned anyway? Is that OK? No. That's not OK and that's not what happens because it's not OK. And it's the SAME THING. What about Diana's 3rd auto attack, should that splash and hit everyone else but not the main target?

I'm really not interested in discussing this, it's a bug and I'm 99.9% sure any Riot designer who would weigh in would agree. It's a mechanical behaviour that is directly contradictory to what is EXPECTED based on how the entire rest of the game works. I'm a game tester AND designer, I know what I'm talking about and I'm really sick of everyone arguing, but I appreciate you being reasonable about it unlike everyone else.

Ethereal Sun1 votes

Have you ever Watched Naruto, and Naruto is fighting Pain? When Naruto takes a swing at Pain and misses but he uses his own energy to hit him anyway (If you haven't then this prob makes no sense to you XD sry). I could guess it's something like that. Shen's passive is called Ki Strike and Ki (or Qi/Chi) is a natural force that some martial artists believe can master and can manifest into the real world (willing physical force into existence so to speak). If you think about it, Shen is a master ninja, and like in a lot of different media and movies Masters of combat can use their other senses (Smell, Hearing, Touch) to find their opponents (Like Lee Sin). TBH If Shen couldn't at least hit one attack with his eyes closed he wouldn't be a master of the Kinkou would he?

Yea this has been less about the game itself and more of me attempting to justify how it could happen. But like you said you are tired of arguing and I wanted to take a less it's the game's fault/ design error and more of Design Choice and why it's behaving the way it is.

That's my two cent's about the subject if you don't want to reply I understand, It's exhausting talking to all of these Nay-Sayers. So L8r

Bauchelain2 votes

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You didn't level up blinding dart until level 12

What match are you looking at? I levelled it up at 8, 10, and 12; by level 12 it was level 4, it was AT LEAST level 3 when Shen took my tower while blind.

Ouroborous HD2 votes

if you maxed poison dart first or shen got tenacity then that is would should have happened. also your build against him is poor and any shen going against that would probably walk over you.

TL:DR it isnt a bug

Bauchelain2 votes

Shen is a counter anyway, my build is meaningless. He was blinded by a maxed out Q, you can CLEARLY SEE that he had no tenacity, and he landed 3 auto attacks AFTER the dart landed. With a 2 second blind. And that's ONE example from an entire match which I witnessed it happening in consistently. It's LITERALLY my job to find and report bugs, there's a reason I gave reproduction rate and specified the skin I was using.

TL;DR I'm not asking for opinions, this is a bug, end of story.

Ouroborous HD3 votes

and our job as a community is to make sure people arent going into a game, getting destroyed, then flooding the board with this champ is bugged plz fix/nerf in order to excuse their crappy play.

TL:DR don't post anything unless you are ready to have the community examine it for bullshit.

Bauchelain2 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ouroborous HD,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=sbxEnbrA,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2015-05-23T19:48:02.010+0000)

and our job as a community is to make sure people arent going into a game, getting destroyed, then flooding the board with this champ is bugged plz fix/nerf in order to excuse their crappy play.

TL:DR don't post anything unless you are ready to have the community examine it for bullshit.

Thanks for proving what a flagrant retard you are.

warpenguin5552 votes

iirc shens passive damage will hit but the damage from the auto will miss

Bauchelain2 votes

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iirc shens passive damage will hit but the damage from the auto will miss

And that makes sense to you? "Oops, my knife missed, good thing it does magic damage when I hit things." Yeah. Sure.

DrCyanide2 votes

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And that makes sense to you?

Stop. You know that nothing in this game works if it has to "make sense".

That's how the mechanic works, thus it's not a bug.

Bauchelain2 votes

No, that's not "how the mechanic works", and yes everything should ABSOLUTELY make sense. Why do you think Riot is always pushing for "clarity?" You're an idiot, I won't waste time replying to any more of your idiocy.

DrCyanide2 votes

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Blind#Blind

On Hit effects can trigger, even if the spell/auto attack that triggers them does no damage.

You can argue that they shouldn't for clarity's sake, and I'll 100% agree with you.

and yes everything should ABSOLUTELY make sense

  • item 1052 + item 1052 = item 3145 , but despite being a gun it's is used by mages who can only use it when they don't auto attack.
  • item 1036 , item 1037 , and item 1038 are the most common item used by ranged auto attacking champions
  • Killing a dragon makes you run faster, but only if it's the third time
  • Killing a crab makes you run faster and gives you vision
  • Arrows and bullets curve in mid air to always hit their target
  • Enemy Minions instantly target you if you scratch their champion with a wimpy auto attack, but completely ignore you if you hit the same champion with a spell
  • Ziggs can drop a massive bomb in an area, yet only people who are on the other team get hurt by it.

There's a lot more than this, but if we subscribe to the "everything should ABSOLUTELY make sense" philosophy, then the game needs a total rework from the ground up.

Bauchelain1 votes

{quoted}

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Blind#Blind

On Hit effects can trigger, even if the spell/auto attack that triggers them does no damage.

You can argue that they shouldn't for clarity's sake, and I'll 100% agree with you.

  • item 1052 + item 1052 = item 3145 , but despite being a gun it's is used by mages who can only use it when they don't auto attack.
  • item 1036 , item 1037 , and item 1038 are the most common item used by ranged auto attacking champions
  • Killing a dragon makes you run faster, but only if it's the third time
  • Killing a crab makes you run faster and gives you vision
  • Arrows and bullets curve in mid air to always hit their target
  • Enemy Minions instantly target you if you scratch their champion with a wimpy auto attack, but completely ignore you if you hit the same champion with a spell
  • Ziggs can drop a massive bomb in an area, yet only people who are on the other team get hurt by it.

There's a lot more than this, but if we subscribe to the "everything should ABSOLUTELY make sense" philosophy, then the game needs a total rework from the ground up.

It needs to make sense IN RELATION TO THE REST OF THE GAME, which you would understand if you were a game designer, or even a tester, which you are most likely neither of and I am both of. Consistency is key, and this behaviour just doesn't match with SO MANY other examples. If Teemo is blinded he doesn't still get to poison people. Same with Gangplank, Shaco, Fizz, and Twitch.

You're supporting double-standards of nonsense.

DrCyanide1 votes

I spent 2 or 3 years as a software tester before moving over to the implementation team at work. Don't be so hasty to assume things about others, it will make you look like a fool more times than not.

"Consistency" in this context could mean that poisons should be applied while blinded, instead of Shen's passive not applying while blinded. Or maybe Shen's passive is consistent with existing systems, as the extra damage is not applied every auto attack, similar to how a Sheen proc goes through but isn't on every auto attack. As a tester, you should know that a computer program can only do things consistently, in accordance to how it's programmed. As a user you might not understand what consistent set of events triggers the behavior, but it is consistent.

You'd be preaching to the choir about clarity being missing from this game, but that's a different issue than something being a bug or not.

BeatzBoyFTW1 votes

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And that makes sense to you? "Oops, my knife missed, good thing it does magic damage when I hit things." Yeah. Sure.

Renekton's W does not get blinded, and both the damage & stun applies (seriously)

Now what you gonna say? Hmm?

Bauchelain1 votes

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Renekton's W does not get blinded, and both the damage & stun applies (seriously)

Now what you gonna say? Hmm?

That's an ACTIVE ABILITY which I already bloody well said there are plenty of which are allowed to go through blind. They COMPLETELY HIT. Shen's PASSIVE applies magic damage EVEN WHEN THE PHYSICAL ATTACK DOESN'T DO DAMAGE. GTFO.

warpenguin5552 votes

no, it doesnt. but it happens with a few others like Jax w still applying the magic damage

Bauchelain2 votes

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no, it doesnt. but it happens with a few others like Jax w still applying the magic damage

Wrong. There are attacks which can't miss, like Jax's W and Nasus's Q. Those attacks hit completely and are activated by abilities besides. Shen's PASSIVE ABILITY which applies magic damage ON BASIC ATTACK is not the same thing. I don't know why I have to keep explaining this...

Ouroborous HD2 votes

ok everyone i think we should stop trying to help this person as they are clearly one of those people who take offense at anyone who tries to use logic and facts against him. lets just leave him in his rage induced rant over how the "shen bug" excuses his crappy play.

Bauchelain1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ouroborous HD,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=sbxEnbrA,comment-id=0005,timestamp=2015-05-26T19:26:57.869+0000)

ok everyone i think we should stop trying to help this person as they are clearly one of those people who take offense at anyone who tries to use logic and facts against him. lets just leave him in his rage induced rant over how the "shen bug" excuses his crappy play.

Nobody agrees with you. Enjoy your ban.

HowsThisNotTaken2 votes

Definitely a bug.

TeemoJenkins1 votes

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http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1832976924/204077184?tab=overview

EDIT: WHEN AN ON-HIT EFFECT IS ACTIVATING OFF OF AN ATTACK THAT DOESN'T EVEN DO DAMAGE BECAUSE IT MISSES, THAT IS A BUG. STOP WITH THOSE IDIOTIC REPLIES. "Oops, my knife missed, good thing it does magic damage when I don't hit things."

I was Super Teemo top vs Shen, and my blind failed to affect him about 90% of that game. In one particular instance I blinded him as he was getting his last 3 hits on my tower and he just happily kept hitting it. He took damage but for no reason at all he just would not be blinded. 90% is the conservative estimate, as I can only think of one attack that missed in the ENTIRE MATCH... and he may have cancelled it.

Please review the forum guidelines on Reporting a Bug before you begin flaming other forum browsers for simply responding with facts versus your opinion.
As a person who's played Shen against Teemo several times I am confident that the blind does work, like you, I don't have any data to support my opinion though. My experience was when I went Stand United to save my bot lane against a Teemo / Quinn duo bot lane - they both hit me with their blinds and I was unable to land an AA on Teemo, my bot lane and I chased and the carries focused me instead of my team and I missed my opening AA's and in the chase missed one more when Teemo fired a second time. This of course is my opinion as I, like you, have no proof.

Bauchelain2 votes

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Please review the forum guidelines on Reporting a Bug before you begin flaming other forum browsers for simply responding with facts versus your opinion.
As a person who's played Shen against Teemo several times I am confident that the blind does work, like you, I don't have any data to support my opinion though. My experience was when I went Stand United to save my bot lane against a Teemo / Quinn duo bot lane - they both hit me with their blinds and I was unable to land an AA on Teemo, my bot lane and I chased and the carries focused me instead of my team and I missed my opening AA's and in the chase missed one more when Teemo fired a second time. This of course is my opinion as I, like you, have no proof.

Maybe it wasn't broken when it happened for you. I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. Because YOU didn't see it does not mean it's just an opinion. Thanks for the laugh, though!

TeemoJenkins1 votes

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Maybe it wasn't broken when it happened for you. I'm not stating an opinion, I'm stating a fact. Because YOU didn't see it does not mean it's just an opinion. Thanks for the laugh, though!

Where's your Proof? You stated an opinion that the blind didn't work - PROOF is needed. Screen shots, video, something. You have provided nothing, and have been hostile to people in this thread, it's honestly pointless.

Bauchelain2 votes

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Where's your Proof? You stated an opinion that the blind didn't work - PROOF is needed. Screen shots, video, something. You have provided nothing, and have been hostile to people in this thread, it's honestly pointless.

I don't need to provide video evidence for it to be checked, that's why in the industry we provide steps to reproduce, as I did. All the people who come in here telling me I'm wrong when they don't have the slightest clue about game design, balance, or bug testing absolutely deserve my ire, just like you do. Fuck off.

Chaotic Reks1 votes

well, he is the Eye of the Twilight . . . . i'll see myself out...

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