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Malzahar Ultimate Does NOT Stop Kalista From Auto-attacking!

Gengar··95 votes·5,246 views

I have seen multiple people report this for a while. Why has this NOT been fixed yet?

If you use your ultimate on Kalista as malzahar, she will not stop auto-attacking. This is beyond broken and likely cost my game considering she just lifestealed all of the damage I was doing to her, since she was able to AA while "supressed".

Please fix. This is game-changing.

37 Comments

SwiftKitten8823 votes

she also seems to auto attack while being revived by GA so.. i think the bug is more to do with kalista rather than mal

Infiny Mage17 votes

also happens when you ult her with bard. she killed my adc when she should of been in stasis. Q.Q

The Ecdysiast2 votes

Screw stasis anyway. If Gangplank can't cleanse it, I think it's okay to let her keep that bug just so there's 1/120 champions who can counter it.

SoKillMuchDead3 votes

It's a skillshot, Every champ can counter it by dodging it.

Infiny Mage5 votes

Technically it's counter is the Bard player himself... I mean Cmon you aim the ult... and by the time it lands the enemy team has shifted and somehow half your team is now in stasis. item 3070

The Ecdysiast1 votes

It's not a skill shot. It's a ground-target. And a ground-target as wide as a lane is no the simplest thing to dodge unless you're one of the champs with a non-targeted movement. Those champs need to be nerfed down to Kassadin's ult range anyway, but you know.

VahidSlayerOfAll4 votes

malz ult is one of the most broken things int he game..... played vs ori and she will toss and ult well im ulting her. it was the worst during urf

kile1474 votes

I main Malzahar, but the cast time on his ult is part of its counterplay. It's not a glitch or bug that his target can interrupt his ult, it just takes really good timing on their part.

MeesterMoo3 votes

But they are doing it WHILE he is ulting

masterdragon4813 votes

It might appear that way, and it might actually be a bug, but I play a decent amount of Malzahar also and unless you can can reproduce it, I'm inclined to think it was just good timing.

There is a delay on both ultimates activating. If ori saw malzahar closing distance to ulti, she could send the ball to his feet and hit R. While she is doing that, because she stops moving to cast, Malzahar gets into ulti range and starts his ultimate. THEN the shockwave pulls malzahar, ending his ultimate.

In a replay of the bug, I would want to see exactly when orianna ultied, as when Malzahar did. I would also ask that you test this with Malzahar going straight from a silence into ulti; if ori can ulti him out of that, we certainly have a problem.

I am choosing to ignore if Ori had a QSS for some reason, or a support had crucible, or someone else interrupted Malzahar.

Crede7771 votes

I play a ton of Malzahar and know exactly what he's talking about. The animation of the suppress will be there and THEN the opponent will begin their animation and cast an ability. Cass can ult, Kennen can trigger his ult, Cho can scream, Ahri can charm, etc. etc.

It's why I pick Kennen when I play against Malz. I know, as a Malz player, that I have a rather ridiculous window AFTER getting ulted during which I can activate my ult and stun him.

In my opinion, once the suppress tether is there, that should be it. No more abilities and any ability that is in the middle of being cast should be halted. If they want to interrupt, they should have to trigger the ability right before he ults.

IS1a442cd69a169ed293a391 votes

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I play a ton of Malzahar and know exactly what he's talking about. The animation of the suppress will be there and THEN the opponent will begin their animation and cast an ability. Cass can ult, Kennen can trigger his ult, Cho can scream, Ahri can charm, etc. etc.

It's why I pick Kennen when I play against Malz. I know, as a Malz player, that I have a rather ridiculous window AFTER getting ulted during which I can activate my ult and stun him.

In my opinion, once the suppress tether is there, that should be it. No more abilities and any ability that is in the middle of being cast should be halted. If they want to interrupt, they should have to trigger the ability right before he ults.

The problem is Kalistar would keep attacking LONG after she's suppressed, not just at the very moment of the initiation.

Baron of Bread1 votes

Kalistar, is that some weird ship or a lane preference?

Kalista x Alistar

Wolfram Oxford1 votes

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I play a ton of Malzahar and know exactly what he's talking about. The animation of the suppress will be there and THEN the opponent will begin their animation and cast an ability. Cass can ult, Kennen can trigger his ult, Cho can scream, Ahri can charm, etc. etc.

It's why I pick Kennen when I play against Malz. I know, as a Malz player, that I have a rather ridiculous window AFTER getting ulted during which I can activate my ult and stun him.

In my opinion, once the suppress tether is there, that should be it. No more abilities and any ability that is in the middle of being cast should be halted. If they want to interrupt, they should have to trigger the ability right before he ults.

I think its good as is, just try to improve on YOUR ult timing.

Proelium5 votes

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I main Malzahar, but the cast time on his ult is part of its counterplay. It's not a glitch or bug that his target can interrupt his ult, it just takes really good timing on their part.

Or better ping

kile1472 votes

Most of the people you'd be suppressing have cast times as well, so even with better ping it takes really good timing to interrupt his ult. I remember going against Syndra and she would continuously interrupt my ult with her stun, but it was never intentional because her cast times were longer than my ult's, meaning that she was using her stun before I ulted and it just wasn't hitting me until I started channeling. My solution for cases like this is to either not immediately lead with his ult in a fight and wait for them to blow their cc first, or to make sure they didn't see me coming.

SociopathFriend2 votes

I wouldn't say it takes good timing exactly- most of the champions that can stop Malz ult beforehand: Ahri Charm Cassiopeia Ult Viktor Stun Syndra Stun Annie Stun will typically use those in their combo that they're using the same time as you're using yours. Granted, if you master landing the Malz Q then yes, you will destroy them without consequence. But the Q is F***ing hard to land without a lot of practice.

That said, you can make any champion sound OP by just mentioning the strong points; Malz has very real weaknesses that can be exploited in a game. Unless you want to make the argument "I can't duel him, he's OP" in which case I'll happily point at Vayne XinZhao Riven You don't really want to duel them 1v1 either do you? He excels at 1v1, that's his thing; it's what he does- he finds one specific champion and says "You die".

Ariel the Cruel1 votes

he finds one specific champion and says "You die"

Sivir Nice try.

kile1471 votes

Syndra, Ahri and Annie are all basically luck since they basically have to cast right before you start ulting because of the travel time on their projectiles. Victor throwing down his stun would work, but once again Malzahar's cast time is such that you can avoid using it when you know you're gonna get stunned. Cass ult could be cast as a reaction, but that would be impressive timing. Basically for the most part those champs use their CC in their combo and as long as you don't ult in such a way that you tank their cc during it, you should be fine.

Pæan4 votes

Even if you polymorph her, she will be jumping and auto attacking as a squirrel. I think anything that happens mid jump will be brushed off.

powerbats3 votes

I've ahd this happen while ulting kalista and she's supprresed but can auto attack to ehr hearts content or auot attack out of the suppress. I've reported on a few occasions but nothings been done so far. I think it'll have to happen during an LCS match for it to get the attention it deserves since Rioters will actually be able to not only see it happen but have the offending code in the game logs during the time in question.

blueberrypancake1 votes

But Mal isn't played in the LCS

item 3070

haywire android2 votes

I've encountered this bug while trying to stun her as Twisted fate as well, seem to stop her jumps but she can still auto attack through the entire stun duration.

Some videos (not mine, credit to the players taking the time to record the bug) of her being stunned by Pantheon and Annie and still auto attacking:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H0Kb1Q_-s2Y

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IZZHgxqrRMc

and the Guardian angel bug (guess GA works like a self stun):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DOx5LDEg-kM

Different builds in the videos, so doesn't seem to be item related.

Zixcik1 votes

Hiya Genars, my friend and I have been trying to replicate this, and we haven't had much luck. Can you tell me a little bit more about what was happening when the bug occurred?

I've looked up a couple threads about this bug, one said that Kalista had to be using her passive and another said she had to have more than 1.8 AS, but it hasn't happened yet.

Gengar1 votes

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Hiya Genars, my friend and I have been trying to replicate this, and we haven't had much luck. Can you tell me a little bit more about what was happening when the bug occurred?

I've looked up a couple threads about this bug, one said that Kalista had to be using her passive and another said she had to have more than 1.8 AS, but it hasn't happened yet.

I'm assuming she has to attack you and then you ult her. Then, her passive which does not allow cancellation of AA's kicks in. I assume this is the issue.

Perhaps if you are trying to replicate the bug, you should use this build, as it is the one she had. item 1055 item 3006 (Alacricity enchantment) item 3085 item 3072 item 1053 item 3046

SkinWeebsAlive1 votes

Damn man :(

Narasimha1 votes

Just to be certain, did she have QSS? Remember, if she has it, she just won't be supressed, but the damage will be going through. Though, if she's lifestealing as much damage as you're doing, its either an infinetly fed Kalista, or you were a super weak Malz.

Sythriel Draken1 votes

There's also a bug with her ultimate. If you have a thresh support and he hooks someone, and then you ult, that person will be permanently stunned until you as the kalista kill them. You are also completely immune to damage for the duration of the ult as well.

Skunt1 votes

It's a timing issue. Vayne is the worst offender when ulting her and she uses condemn at the same time. Your ult will cancel and go on cd and she'll get away.

brad1 votes

i mean because this is a game coded by riot games im willing to bet the part where "she cannot cancel her auto attack" is bugged in more ways that just that

you just know that that part is coded in such a shitty way

Lady Luck1 votes

I believe I've also seen this happen with an Amumu ult... Whole team is CC'd... except the primary person that needs to be CC'd is still auto attacking.

Cerbearus1 votes

Saw it happen last game while she was feared -_-

Maximum Zilean1 votes

Same thing happens with Urgots ultimate. Which is kind of worse since she can alter her position and throw Urgot in the worst possible spot if this bug happens.

VinTheKid1 votes

op

DrHoboMD1 votes

Can confirm - she autos when disabled..I hit her with WW ult, and she kept hitting me in a game the other day. Freaked me the shit out out so I walked off of her and died

Mustachestalker1 votes

Kalista also does this when she's reviving from GA.

High51 votes

I love Malz, but he has a lot more problems than just bugs. I mean, if you let him stand their and kill you, great. If you have any sort of carry that can dive him, he's kinda useless.

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