Is the S rank bugged?

I am Bob Ross·Jul 17, 2016·2 votes·1,004 views

So i went 31/4 with jhin adc. Had the most damage, cs, ect. in the game and got a A+. i am a litle salty yes..... but please someone explain. Is it not at all based on the kda? To top it off i got a penta too and dont get even an S-. This is kinda of a rant but I also believe this is either a bug or an issue. If any role did insanely well they should get an at least an S. Example. support with like half of the assist of the game should get high grade or top lane with a crazy amount of cs.

if a ritoier or whoever want to see the game here is the link http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/2243409860/222715591?tab=overview

23 Comments

MatthewRT2Jul 17, 20162 votes

riot uses a weird set of rules whne giving grades, like how much damage you did, if you get to many kills on lower lvled enemies it hurts the grade. almost like it punishes you for being fed. I had this same problem a few weeks ago on a couple of my brand games

I am Bob RossJul 17, 20161 votes

That does make sence, however u still did GOOD which is what a S says. A+ means you suck. being fed is good not suck

MatthewRT2Jul 17, 20162 votes

but if you kill somone to much depending on length of game it counts them as a feeder and thats why it hurts you

I am Bob RossJul 17, 20161 votes

Your a smart guy. Rito should hire u. But does 31 kills mean their whole team fed? or just one guy? huh?? (:

MatthewRT2Jul 18, 20161 votes

Well iff most of your kills are on the person who got least K/A it deems them feeder

TahyanaJul 17, 20162 votes

They also base it off your CS. You need to have at least 200+ by the 300 to improve your score. They compare your score with others that play Jihn to rank you. I am not saying it's fair, but that's the way they do it.

From what I understand, it's k/d/a, CS, objective participation and kill participation. Your kills are wicked, btw.

I have that problem myself. I keep doing last-hit drills in custom and bot matches to improve my CS. It's darn hard, but I'm getting there.

I am Bob RossJul 17, 20161 votes

csing is hard with jhin especial cause reload. That moment when they steal baron cause u reload. kms

TahyanaJul 17, 20162 votes

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csing is hard with jhin especial cause reload. That moment when they steal baron cause u reload. kms

I feel ya. I don't play Jihn, but I have seen other ppl play him. You'll get there though. If you need some help you can always look up Jeremy "Gaming Curios" on Youtube. He has a video on last hitting.

I am Bob RossJul 18, 20161 votes

lmao. i have seen that already. still hard though.

TahyanaJul 18, 20161 votes

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lmao. i have seen that already. still hard though.

Agreed

LuluInWonderlandJul 18, 20162 votes

Just went 0/0/18 as nami (64% kill participation) in a 27 min game. Over half of it was from teamfights. Placed massive wards/min and did more dmg than most of their team. Got an A. They really need to release some better info on what criteria they use and how you scored in each general area.

LuluInWonderlandJul 17, 20161 votes

Unfortunately, the rules to determine the grade are a secret that only Riot knows. This is (supposedly) to prevent people from abusing the system. I see that point, but right now it's pretty much a crap-shoot what grade you get. I've done really well and received a C or B. I've done poorly and earned A+. Grades just don't accurately represent how you performed in a game.

It's even worse for supports (even with the recent change). Saves mean nothing in the grade (unless maybe doing so results in a kill). The assumption is that wards placed/destroyed count, but then you get people constantly placing wards and recalling...instead of actually placing them in the most useful places and as needed. It's also encouraged some pretty "unusual" champ + role combinations. I'm not against that, but 9 times out of 10 it doesn't go well or at least doesn't go well with the team comp. The goal is (usually) to get an S grade because not many people play that champ in that role (i.e. AP lucian), so all you have to do is basically do alright.

I was fine with the grading system until they linked it to rank 6 and 7 masteries. Suddenly, it was no longer about playing well and winning and mastering the champ. There was now a real incentive to ensure you individually had good stats instead of actually doing what's necessary to win the game.

I am Bob RossJul 18, 20162 votes

I feel as though mastery 6 and 7 was just a way for them to promote hextech crafting and have found so much toxicity when they are 6 or 7 and just spam, call noob cause im good and can prove it ect. But the rules on grading should be clear but not abusable. like kda and cs. cant really abuse kda...

LuluInWonderlandJul 18, 20161 votes

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I feel as though mastery 6 and 7 was just a way for them to promote hextech crafting and have found so much toxicity when they are 6 or 7 and just spam, call noob cause im good and can prove it ect. But the rules on grading should be clear but not abusable. like kda and cs. cant really abuse kda...

100% agree. Luckily, just went 1/1/22 in the following match with nami again and got my S. No idea why 1/1/22 in 35 min is better than 0/0/18 in 27 min...

I am Bob RossJul 18, 20162 votes

glad u still got your s though. Rito need to fix their stuf

Amasa DelanoJul 18, 20161 votes

I'm pretty sure how much you ward and how many wards you clear also factors into the grade. So I think warding would have to be taken into account when comparing two different games.

LuluInWonderlandJul 18, 20161 votes

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I'm pretty sure how much you ward and how many wards you clear also factors into the grade. So I think warding would have to be taken into account when comparing two different games.

Agreed. I guess the S match was slightly better statistically, but not by much ( < 10% more wards + wards cleared per minute). By no means enough to merit a full A -> S difference. that said, the number of wards doesn't really mean much...it's where and when you use them that matters.

Amasa DelanoJul 19, 20161 votes

I agree that it's when and where you use/clear wards that matters in a game. I think it would be pretty hard for a computer formula to tell whether or not the wards you used or cleared were "useful," though, so it probably just counts all of them equally.

WeatheredJul 18, 20161 votes

@ cs

DarkRitualJul 18, 20161 votes

KDA is a factor, but there are others as well. Most CS in game isn't relevant, but actual CS is. If you have low cs but high kills, it kinda balances out when weighted for ranking. 151 in 31 min isn't really amazing. You're also rated against other player who play Jhin in bot lane, so that also needs to be factored in to each thing that is weighted.

I am Bob RossJul 18, 20161 votes

do u know if they take into account roaming? they would have to cause jugglers, but what about other lanes roaming?