Just played a game against yasuo top as jax. Was so confused as to how he was charging a nado on me through my E. I googled it, turns out this has been a problem for atleast 4 years. How long can it take to fix a bug as small as this? Holy S***.
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Tim From Work2 votesOkay so not a bug but should it really work that way? I mean dodge or blocking is effectively the same as missing the q entirely (assuming its one on one with no minions taking secondary damage)
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Okay so not a bug but should it really work that way? I mean dodge or blocking is effectively the same as missing the q entirely (assuming its one on one with no minions taking secondary damage)
yeah thats what im saying :/
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That isn't a bug.
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it say's I dodged the Q but it still gives him nado? I'm confused.....
ModWulf Helhammer5 votesBecause the damage of the ability is based on whether or not you dodged it with counter-strike. The charge effect of it is based purely on whether he hit something with it.
There’s two different effects in play. The damage done is handled on your end, whereas the ability charge is on his. That’s why things can still stack up on invulnerable targets unless specifically mentioned that they only stack up on damage, and not just hits.
MorningCoffee212 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=000100010000,timestamp=2019-04-26T21:05:59.967+0000)
Because the damage of the ability is based on whether or not you dodged it with counter-strike. The charge effect of it is based purely on whether he hit something with it.
There’s two different effects in play. The damage done is handled on your end, whereas the ability charge is on his. That’s why things can still stack up on invulnerable targets unless specifically mentioned that they only stack up on damage, and not just hits.
Then by that logic yasuo Q should stack even if not hitting someone. It should stack if you hit the air.
ModWulf Helhammer7 votesI literally said he has to hit something with it.
You are being pedantic.
He didn’t miss the ability. He landed the ability. However, you have your own ability that allows you to ignore damage from certain sources. You are not untargetable, you are not in stasis, or anything like that. You are simply immune to damage from certain things. For all intents and purposes it’s essentially an invulnerable shield for auto attacks and certain abilities. That’s it.
For Yasuo to get the stack on his Q, he simply needs to hit some enemy unit with it. He accomplished that. Whether or not damage is applied is an entirely different matter and utterly disconnected from whether or not the Q stacks.
MorningCoffee211 votes[{quoted}](name=Wilk Łucznik,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=00010001000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T21:23:50.665+0000)
I literally said he has to hit something with it.
You are being pedantic.
He didn’t miss the ability. He landed the ability. However, you have your own ability that allows you to ignore damage from certain sources. You are not untargetable, you are not in stasis, or anything like that. You are simply immune to damage from certain things. For all intents and purposes it’s essentially an invulnerable shield for auto attacks and certain abilities. That’s it.
For Yasuo to get the stack on his Q, he simply needs to hit some enemy unit with it. He accomplished that. Whether or not damage is applied is an entirely different matter and utterly disconnected from whether or not the Q stacks.
Alright that's fair i guess..... i originally thought this was a bug but riot intentionally made it this way it seems
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Because the damage of the ability is based on whether or not you dodged it with counter-strike. The charge effect of it is based purely on whether he hit something with it.
There’s two different effects in play. The damage done is handled on your end, whereas the ability charge is on his. That’s why things can still stack up on invulnerable targets unless specifically mentioned that they only stack up on damage, and not just hits.
Just going off of sheer common sense here.. it doesn't make much sense giving that the word dodge implies that it didn't touch or hit me..
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That isn't a bug.
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Meanwhile if that isn't a bug... do you perhaps know if something is a bug or not? Ya know, like Elises rappel which has been bugged for years?
Who Fed Ru20 voteswhy should it?
It's an ability that procs on hit effects, not an aa.
Tahminatrix 24 votesIts an ability that is is considered an AA, it doesn't just proc onhit effects, it also crits, not to mention it is counted as single target instead of aoe.
It needs to be fixed but in the other direction, yasuo q should be considered an aoe. He can heal a lot from stabbing a bunch of minions.
Who Fed Ru3 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=00000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:19:13.260+0000)
Its an ability that is is considered an AA, it doesn't just proc onhit effects, it also crits, not to mention it is counted as single target instead of aoe.
It needs to be fixed but in the other direction, yasuo q should be considered an aoe. He can heal a lot from stabbing a bunch of minions.
It isn't considered an aa, it's an ability that scales down with AS, can crit and procs on hit effects, but it still is an ability.
Tahminatrix 3 votesYou can CONSIDER something to be something else and have it still actually be the original thing.
Everything you just said contradicts yourself.
If an ability was considered an auto attack it would have everything you just mentioned, its CONSIDERED an auto attack.
Third definition of consider "regard (someone or something) as having a specified quality." It has the quality of most things that an auto attack would have. BUT IT DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE AN AUTO ATTACK.
Who Fed Ru2 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:30:01.837+0000)
You can CONSIDER something to be something else and have it still actually be the original thing.
Everything you just said contradicts yourself.
If an ability was considered an auto attack it would have everything you just mentioned, its CONSIDERED an auto attack.
Third definition of consider "regard (someone or something) as having a specified quality." It has the quality of most things that an auto attack would have. BUT IT DOESNT ACTUALLY HAVE TO BE AN AUTO ATTACK.
Dafuq.
It's an ability and that's it. No where is stated that it is considered as an autoattack (as it is with GP Q), and it isn't considered as one.
Idk what you are trying to tell me.
Tahminatrix 4 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:38:49.537+0000)
Dafuq.
It's an ability and that's it.
No where is stated that it is considered as an autoattack (as it is with GP Q), and it isn't considered as one.
It doesn't need to be stated that it is considered an auto attack? The sentence is still valid because it has the defining qualities of being an autoattack.
IM TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT AN ABILITY CAN BE CONSIDERED AN AUTO ATTACK BUT STILL BE AN ABILITY.
Considering an ability to be an auto attack is not the same as saying an ability is an auto attack. NOWHERE DID I SAY THAT HIS Q IS AN AUTO ATTACK.
Reread my last reply because I clearly gave you the definition of consider. We are done here.
Who Fed Ru1 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:48:33.054+0000)
It doesn't need to be stated that it is considered an auto attack? The sentence is still valid because it has the defining qualities of being an autoattack.
IM TRYING TO TELL YOU THAT AN ABILITY CAN BE CONSIDERED AN AUTO ATTACK BUT STILL BE AN ABILITY.
Considering an ability to be an auto attack is not the same as saying an ability is an auto attack. NOWHERE DID I SAY THAT HIS Q IS AN AUTO ATTACK.
That's what I'm saying tho?
That is has the qualities of an autoattack, but isn't considered as one and that's why Jax E shouldn't block it.
Tahminatrix 4 votesIt having the qualities of an auto attack literally means it can be considered as one, something can be considered to be something else but still be the original thing.
You literally just contradicted yourself again, third definition of CONSIDER -to regard something as having a specified QUALITY.
Who Fed Ru2 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=00000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:54:13.392+0000)
It having the qualities of an auto attack literally means it can be considered as one, something can be considered to be something else but still be the original thing.
It is activated with an ability button, and not with right click, and that's why it isn't an autoattack.
Idk what you are trying to tell me here.
it is an ability that scales down with attack speed, can crit and procs on hit effects, but it still isn't an autoattack and also nowhere is stated that it is considered as one like GP Q, where it is stated in the tooltip.
Tahminatrix 4 votesIM NOT TELLING YOU ITS AN AUTO ATTACK, its CONSIDERED an auto attack.
Who Fed Ru1 votes[{quoted}](name=Super Cow Swag,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T21:42:02.720+0000)
IM NOT TELLING YOU ITS AN AUTO ATTACK, its CONSIDERED an auto attack.
no it isn't.
game wise, it is considered as an ability.
JuiceBoxP4 votesMan you are just not comprehending this.
An ABILITY that applies
IS CONSIDERED
AN AUTO ATTACK
examples: gangplank Q fiora Q ezreal Q
Yasuo Q??????????????????????????????????
Who Fed Ru1 votesMan you are just not comprehending this.
An ABILITY that applies
!@#$%:** ON-HIT EFFECTS **:@!#@$IS CONSIDERED
AN AUTO ATTACK
examples: gangplank Q fiora Q ezreal Q
Yasuo Q??????????????????????????????????
Does Jax rly block all of them? Including Fizz Q?
If yes, mb.
I guess the thing here is that the Yasuo Q does only proc on-hits on the first target hit, and the tornado doesn't all all.
Ah and I'm just reading on the wiki that his Q actually can be dodged but only if the target is the one he applies the on-hit to, so that's prob why the tornado can't be blocked.
I still think it is fair that way as the tornado also doesn't proc things like 
, so it basically is just an aoe spell.
Sucction3 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T23:40:12.262+0000)
Does Jax rly block all of them? Including Fizz Q?
If yes, mb.
I guess the thing here is that the Yasuo Q does only proc on-hits on the first target hit, and the tornado doesn't all all.
Ah and I'm just reading on the wiki that his Q actually can be dodged but only if the target is the one he applies the on-hit to, so that's prob why the tornado can't be blocked.
I still think it is fair that way as the tornado also doesn't proc things like
The tornado does proc shiv, aha.
None of his Qs are blocked by Blinds either, and Pantheon's passive only works if he's the first unit hit. So inconsistent.
JuiceBoxP1 votesHis q procs shiv. His q is an auto attack. His q ahould be blocked by jax e And yes, jax blocks all the mentioned above.
Who Fed Ru1 votesHis q procs shiv. His q is an auto attack. His q ahould be blocked by jax e And yes, jax blocks all the mentioned above.
His normal Q does only proc shiv to the first target hit, and the tornado does so only too, so his tornado and his stab Q to secondary targets aren't an autoattack and shouldn't be blocked.
Who Fed Ru1 votesThe tornado does proc shiv, aha.
None of his Qs are blocked by Blinds either, and Pantheon's passive only works if he's the first unit hit. So inconsistent.
After reading a little bit into it, his tornado and how it procs on hits were changed multiple times, and I think the most recent one is that his normal and tornado Q only proc on-hits to the first target hit, thus the ability only counts as an autoattack to the first target hit.
hiyares3 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:38:49.537+0000)
Dafuq.
It's an ability and that's it. No where is stated that it is considered as an autoattack (as it is with GP Q), and it isn't considered as one.
Idk what you are trying to tell me.
wukong q is a skill that is an auto darius e is a skil lthat is considred an auto teemo q is considered an auto if im not mistaken chogath e is an empowered auto and only the second effect will hit. ereal q gp q are autos..... yasuos q has the same properties as other AA skills its litteraly just some form of an empowered auto
Who Fed Ru1 voteswukong q is a skill that is an auto darius e is a skil lthat is considred an auto teemo q is considered an auto if im not mistaken chogath e is an empowered auto and only the second effect will hit. ereal q gp q are autos..... yasuos q has the same properties as other AA skills its litteraly just some form of an empowered auto
nope, it are skills that power up the next autoattack.
hiyares2 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000000000000000000000010000,timestamp=2019-04-26T22:02:33.288+0000)
nope, it are skills that power up the next autoattack.
oka then gp q and ez q? are autos they are not powering an upcoming an auto attack the skill is the autos attck
lil koda17 votesthen why does jax e block gangplank q lmao
Who Fed Ru4 votesthen why does jax e block gangplank q lmao
because there it clearly states that GP Q is considered an aa
Terozu2 votesSo does Yas' q in his spotlight.
Rysophage1 votesBecuase gankplank's Q is an enhanced auto attack that's why it applies on-hits. jesus you kids dont freaking read.
MorningCoffee212 votesBecuase gankplank's Q is an enhanced auto attack that's why it applies on-hits. jesus you kids dont freaking read.
So it applies on hit effects but doesnt hit. xD
Sp33d Zer013 votesYasuo thrusts his sword to deal physical damage to all enemies in the target direction, applying on-hit effects to the first target hit.
Gangplank shoots the target enemy with his pistol, dealing Attack damage physical damage and applying on-hit effects.
Ezreal fires a bolt of energy in a line, dealing Attack damage physical damage to the first enemy hit, and applying on-hit effects.
Fiora dashes a short distance in the target direction then stabs a nearby enemy if one is present.The stab deals Attack damage physical damage and_** applies on-hit effects.**_
Weird how these all have the same wording, but only Yasuo gets a pass.
Wimbledofy1 votesIt's because Yasuo's is aoe and all the others are single target. The only ability Yasuo's Q can be compared to is Evelynn E I think, but I'm not sure how the interaction works in Evelynn's case. Edit: Fizz is another great example that I actually remembered, and Fizz's Q+W completely counters Jax's E, even though it does on hit.
Terozu2 votesUhh yes. Watch his spotlight. His Q functions as a basic attack.
Sucction2 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:27:15.946+0000)
It isn't considered an aa, it's an ability that scales down with AS, can crit and procs on hit effects, but it still is an ability.
He heals from it based on his lifesteal, so I disagree.
AnataBakka1 votesyasuo q doesn't stack nor apply guinsoo --> not a basic attack
Tahminatrix 2 votesNever said it was a basic attack, I said its CONSIDERED one.
MorningCoffee211 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:04:25.894+0000)
why should it?
It's an ability that procs on hit effects, not an aa.
But it says dodged...?
MorningCoffee212 votes[{quoted}](name=Who Fed Ru,realm=EUW,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2019-04-26T19:04:25.894+0000)
why should it?
It's an ability that procs on hit effects, not an aa.
Cuz it didn't hit me lol. It doesnt make sense that it applies ON HIT effects if it didnt HIT. thats like a tornado destroying a city it didnt even go anywhere near
TisBis2 votesYasuo has enough shit going for him
AnataBakka1 votesiirc i'm pretty sure jax blocks the damage. The only thing he doesn't block is yasuo charging his q stacks. Why did this post get so fired up over this?
jocomotion1 votesIt dodges 
and 
Q, and they’re both literally abilities that proc on-hit effects and not AA’s
WacingTheFind5 votesit should only block Yasuo's Q if jax is the first target hit, if not then it shouldn't block it, because Yasuo's Q only applies on-hit effects on the first target hit.
Iźuku Midoriya1 votesiirc yeah this ^
Crescent Dusk1 votesHow do you lose as conqueror Jax to a Yasuo....
MorningCoffee213 votes[{quoted}](name=Crescent Dusk,realm=NA,application-id=LqLKtMpN,discussion-id=VqkMfVQy,comment-id=0009,timestamp=2019-04-27T05:32:29.822+0000)
How do you lose as conqueror Jax to a Yasuo....
who said i lost? lol