No assist for Sion

DEVILDRAGS20··4 votes·1,267 views

I posted this a few months ago and still think this is a bug that needs to be fixed. Scenario: ARAM and I'm talking to everyone on my team. Soraka is on the enemy team. My buddy was playing Sion and I was playing Zilean. Note that this is before the Zilean rework but the concept of this still holds true since time bombs can still stick to minions. He convinced me that we could get a <5% health Soraka for first blood if I put a time bomb on a minion and he bash it onto the Soraka. We go for it and the minion bash did not hit Soraka but made it so that my time bomb was in range to kill Soraka for first blood. We checked immediately and saw that Sion did not get the assist. The only way we got the kill was his minion bash put my time bomb into range for the kill. I posted this and reported it and a boards overviewer replied and told me that since Sion did not do any direct damage to Soraka this is why no assist was rewarded. The thing is it was a organized play. We talked strategically about it and my first blood was 100% impossible had it not been for Sion minion bash. It is not my job to figure out dynamics of a kill, gameplay or anything but one thing is for sure. I used mana for that time bomb and Sion used mana for that minion bash.

11 Comments

KillnYall2 votes

No he did no DPS to the champ or directly buffed a play for the assist. Yes he moved the minion closer but that would open a bag of gitches IMO if they made assist in this way

DEVILDRAGS202 votes

Yes I understand the opening of Pandora's box on this one but at the same time it was organized, and would not have been possible at all if not for Sion Like I said it is not my job to figure out how to go from here with this situation, but it is in my eyes a bug in the game that will have to be addressed one day especially with the creation of more champions. If they can figure out how to make the HUD worse than before they can figure this one out.

DEVILDRAGS201 votes

That's like saying Bard shouldn't get an assist for using his ultimate. It does no damage.....

KillnYall1 votes

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That's like saying Bard shouldn't get an assist for using his ultimate. It does no damage.....

But it is a stun it impacts the movement. If bard misses his ult he gets nothing

DEVILDRAGS201 votes

Ok different scenario, Zilean gets an assist for his time bomb blowing up after someone has already killed them. Say Zilean and Tristana are chasing down a Jinx. Zilean has not used any abilities on Tristana or Jinx. Zilean flashes to get into range for his time bomb and lands one on Jinx, Zilean does not AA or anything. As soon as Tristana kills Jinx the time bomb will explode and Zilean will get the assist. Had it happen before. No item 3069 no item 3800 try it out, bet Zilean gets an assist for his time bomb blowing up after the Jinx is already dead. And no time bomb does not do any damage until it is exploded, no initial damage on the land.

Zombiemaster2 votes

I don't know if Riot changed this with the new Time Bombs, but the old Time Bombs actually did 1 true damage every tick if they were attached to an enemy. So Zilean would get an assist because of that.

KillnYall1 votes

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Ok different scenario, Zilean gets an assist for his time bomb blowing up after someone has already killed them. Say Zilean and Tristana are chasing down a Jinx. Zilean has not used any abilities on Tristana or Jinx. Zilean flashes to get into range for his time bomb and lands one on Jinx, Zilean does not AA or anything. As soon as Tristana kills Jinx the time bomb will explode and Zilean will get the assist. Had it happen before. No item 3069 no item 3800 try it out, bet Zilean gets an assist for his time bomb blowing up after the Jinx is already dead. And no time bomb does not do any damage until it is exploded, no initial damage on the land.

right he hit Jinx with an ability even if there is no DPS it still is on her

DEVILDRAGS201 votes

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right he hit Jinx with an ability even if there is no DPS it still is on her

thats pathetic logic

R1101 votes

Zilean applies a debuff in this case and thus gets the assist.

Zombiemaster2 votes

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That's like saying Bard shouldn't get an assist for using his ultimate. It does no damage.....

That's not the same at all. Assists are coded so that you get one if you had done anything to a champion within a certain time of their death. This could be either damage or some form of crowd control, even if that CC doesn't deal damage. You also get an assist if you help an ally that assisted in the kill, such as healing or shielding them.

Now, in Bard's case, he would get an assist with his ult because it is a form of crowd control that affects the enemy champion that died.

In Sion's case, pushing the minion so that the Zilean bomb was in range to kill the enemy champion would not get an assist due to how they are currently coded. Pushing the minion did not directly damage the Soraka nor did it apply a for of CC. It also did not directly affect an ally; it did not shield, heal, or anything similar to any ally. Because of this, Sion will not receive an assist for that kill.

DEVILDRAGS201 votes

Look above at new scenario, Im telling you there are serious bugs with Zilean

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